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[drowningbitbybit]

but i want to say that that schizophrenia thing sounds obserd and ive never heard it before which is odd being a 4th year psych major.

Well, that is really strange. (Not to be a smart@rse, but just meaning to show that Im not talking rubbish, I work/research/teach in a medical school)

The controversy is whether cannabis etc causes schizophrenia or simply makes people already prone to schiz more likely to get it.

[Broosta]

There's more than just short term memory loss.

For example, demotivation is quite insidious.

And it is quite addicitive - just not physically addictive....

what are some of the physical withdrawl symptoms?

its addictive because of its immediate pleasing effect, etc.. its classical conditioning, positive reinforcement. most people like me dont get addicted, but a few do.

however, there is no withdrawl. you heard me. none. none. no psychological or physical or biological or whatever. side effects and even those minor long term effects you mentioned are not withdrawl symptoms they are side effects.

marijuana and apparently cocaine (which i have never tried) have no withdrawl symptoms, except maybe perceived boredom.. much less than nicotine or caffeine

Sorry dude but gotta correct you here, Coke is VERY physically AND mentally addictive, so you could get full on withdrawal symptoms. Weed is mentally addictive, and maybe physically addictive too.

Check out this link:- http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/A/addiction/can_stories.html

[FishKid Wales]

Would have to agree with DBB, havnt had a burn for over a month and im far less jumpy/paranoid/withdrawn and it made me much less motivated (missed to dawnys because I couldnt be arsed to get out of bed), i reckon its proberbly worse than alchohol as it pretty acceptable amongst tokers to smoke at any hour of the day, Ive taken a step back from it now and will only smoke on holiday or at other times of the year when I just want to really chill out.

The whole scitzo thing worries me a little as my grandad was a proper mentalist-

In regards to the addiction stuff, if ive smoked for over a week and i want to leave it alone for a week or so i physically cant do it i have to smoke till its gone.

[Dr Rev]

Ive smoked for years, only because the voices in my head have told me too

[Sar]

I agree with DBB and FishKid. I havent been able to smoke in years due to the excesses of my youth giving me 'the fear' whenever I do - becoming very anxious over everything, my short term memory is also embarrasingly bad.

People who I know that do still smoke know they need to stop when they get lazy and a little depressed (doesnt happen that often to be fair) but like said previously have to finish it off cant just leave it alone.

I do think it seems to affect some people in a negative way but it seems many more can enjoy it for many years, I guess that must be the same as many things that alter what goes on in your head - if it seems to good to be true it probably is - surely you cant expect to have an up without a down, that just doesnt make sense

[CheeZee]

lol .. " ahh man , now you all know i gotta have a say on this .. and LMFAO this is gonna take soooo long so i'll try and shorten it

lololol...actually think i'll put up a link to another forum and you can go for it there lol ...

im leaving this one alone for tonight cause its late ...night all

[JQ]

yeah... lets revert to the original content of this thread...

hoegarden (love that name, as well as the beer obviously)
Lech (polish beer)
Corona with a slice o lime
peche mel bush... (two beers to make one hefty drink)

'n when its hot out, any cold cold beer will do just great!

[kitesurfer]

Did i mention that i'm rather fond of hobgoblin?

[drowningbitbybit]

Did i mention that i'm rather fond of hobgoblin?

Hobgoblin's got side-effects

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

i read that link and it seemed like it was just a few case studies. no statistics. i have some biased websites of my own, only i dont think theyre very biased at all. check this one out: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... th16.shtml

i espetually like the part about "brain damage."

while youre on that site, check out all the other awesome articles they have on marijuana myths

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... myth.shtml

(note that references are cited and notes are provided. they are not just pulling statistics and facts out of their arses.)

check out where they figure marijuana addictions myths come from. sounds like physical symptoms and supposed side effects only appear when one smokes the equivalent of what would kill you in alchohol consumption.

ill take the restlessness and nausea over alcohol poisioning and death any day.

the whole schizophrenia thing really is just absurd. i tried to find something ligitamate in my books but the closest thing i found was that marijuana excites dopaminergic neurons and one of the many abnormalities in schizophrenia is an excess of dopamine.

also, cocaine really does only have minor withdrawl symptoms. thats not to say its not a dangerous drug. i wouldnt touch it. but it has less withdrawl than regular coffee use. that goes for the beloved mary jane as well.

as for cravings, not being able to not smoke all of your baggie, its all willpower, its not the drug. some people get addicted to video games. some to surfing. marijuana is addictive, i know. just without withdrawl, its not as addictive as others.

to say that marijuana kills more brain cells than alcohol is just pure insanity. at its worst, marijuana causes the desensitivity of THC-like receptors, which leads to problems with concentration and retrieving memory, not memory loss, or dead brain cells.


look up korsakoffs syndrome. youll find its not some biased hippie made up term. alcohol also causes horrible withdrawl including hallucinations, it causes fetal alcohol syndrom, try to find me something as ligitamate as that on marijuana. not to mention poisoning vs. not one marijuana induced death, and the staggering # of drunk driving deaths.



In one study lasting 94 days, marijuana had no significant impact on learning, performance or motivation. 74

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... th11.shtml

[drowningbitbybit]

i read that link ... "brain damage."
... marijuana addictions myths...the whole schizophrenia thing really is just absurd.... cocaine really does only have minor withdrawl symptoms.
...as for cravings,...to say that marijuana kills more brain cells than alcohol is just pure insanity

*shrugs, closes door on way out*

[JQ]

does someone really like marijuana or is it me that keeps seeing hawaiisucks defending his darling.... enough! we get the message! you think it doesn't do anything, some think it does... as for me, I know it does... it made me depressed, tired, unmotivated, I lost my short term memory, not to mention all my uni life is a bit of a blur...

so... we'll all go our own way...

anyone for a drink?

hoegarden!!!

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

those are all symptoms,side effects, effects, whatever. that doesnt mean it kills braincells or anything. it makes me paranoid while im on it, but it whares off.

booze gives me nausea.

anyone ever tried salvia?

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

and sorry i get carried away somtimes but i love to argue about 2 things:

psychology stuff and why hawaii sucks.

[JQ]

no worries... you probably should leave hawaii! havin said that, I have tried salvia... wasn't amazed at all... very short (maybe I didn't take enough).... and what I did have made me feel like I was really far away, as in, when i talked, it was like a distant echo...

[GowerCharger]

hmm, this thread seems to have changed tack a bit since i last read it anyway might as well jump in with my tuppence worth.
You can get addicted to almost anything. like surfing, i get irritable if i dont go surfing for a while (flat spells for example) but after a really good swell i can go for at least a day or 2 without even thnking about about surfing
Ive had friends whove been dependent on all sorts of different substances, and by far alcohol is the most damaging addiction of the lot. On the other hand i know tons of people who drink a lot and dont get withdrawl when they dont drink.
Cannabis can be habit forming, but not physically addictive although some people with addictive tendencies can become reliant on it (i know a few). It effectrs people in different ways, some people dont get on with it at all, some love it, and some find as they get older it doesnt affect them in the same ways as when they where young and go off it. i know guys who smoke all day and still function completly normally, and other guys who have one puff and start spinning out.
The major difference with alcohol is that its legal and therefore regulated, if you tried selling alcohol with even half the contaminants found in your average uk soap bar cannabis the enivromental health people would shut you down immediatly, clean grown pure sensmillia on the other hand has few of the negative affects usually associated with cannabis, and much more useful medical qualties.
Cocaine is a strong addiction, but again your only gonna get hooked on it either if you want to, or if you are the type of person who gets addicted to things.

I like alcohol, but i prefer a smoke most of the time, it makes me mellow and puts me in a good friendly mood, whereas alcohol sometimes makes me aggressive, and gives me more memory loss than anything else.

[Phil]

i think the problem with cannabis these days is that growing techneqies have advanced so much since i was caining it that you now have people cross breading the most head fleshin' potent bud, thats 4 or 5 times as strong as it used to be, ive seen a fair few fleshin' ups that have been smoking it since school one of them cant even learn to drive becuse he forgets what hes doing half the time

all drugs have there side effects moderation is the key

[rich r]

Penn Pilsner is *the* best beer.

As for the gange verus alcohol;

Alcohol is toxic, both in consuming and in the by-products metabolizing it creates. It kills brain cells by denying them oxygen (as well as polluting them with toxin), and overloads the liver, pancrease, kidneys and other organs, overtaxing their ability to clean out the toxins. One binge drinking night can kill your liver or pancrease (happened to a friend of mine).

Gange is broken down by a protien in your body that interacts with nothing but the active ingredient in cannabis. The resulting compounds are not toxic to your body. However, the effect on your short term memory is not a short term effect. Cannabis can drastically and long-term affect the proper functioning of your short term memory (versus actually 'killing' any cells, it just messes with communication pathways). The effect can be permament. Gange also *will* be cancer-causing for the same reason as cigarettes - breathing smoke (unburned particles of dust) into your lungs hurts them. There's really no way around that. Some particles are more cancerous than others, but bad for your lungs is bad for your lungs.

Both alcohol and gange can be habit-forming. Alcohol, both physically and mentally. Gange is chiefly a mental addiction.

Cocaine, heroin, angel dust, meth are all much more dangerous than both alcohol and gange - both in addiction and what they do to your body. You WILL get withdrawal from cocaine, and any of those drugs.

Never really heard a bad thing about mushrooms, though.

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

i want some mushrooms. bust out the cow xxxxx.

[mar1eylove]

corona light with a lime in the neck