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Postby Brent » Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:41 am

Hi again !!
It's funny I was reading the latest copy of "Surfer" Magazine today at work and man, it's just ad's for stuff (and I'm not even going to mention the "REEF" ads...) God even cellphones are in the game now. You too can own your very own Nokia phone.....with a quicksilver logo spashed across it...along with a real Quicksilver wallpaper !!!! wahooo.

This arformentioned item is a perfect example of what Wolfreys is going on about. The sheer sillyness of branding a digital phone (glaringly in bright red I might add) with a completely non-communication related surfing logo to make it more attractive to those who fall within this other consumer group...ie surfers, is hilarious. The Logo/Brand is now bigger and more important that the actual item labelled.

The joke being, Nokia, a Northern European company who are known for clever ergonomic design & asthetics have "ho'ed" themselves completely and destroyed the design integrity of the nice looking phone they spend so much money & time creating. Hmmm, I don't know much about marketing...but isn't don't let anybody fu_k around with your logo/brand/image rule number one?

An example of this in bigger terms would be for Volvo cars (a company with similar design values to Nokia), in their eagerness to appeal to Californian Surfers splashing "Volkswagen Combie" in red paint down the side of their stationwagons.

I've always honestly though todays youth were the best educated, most astute generation yet...so why are they taken for a ride with this stuff. Can't they see they're all in the game. That every time they buy a clothing item with a surf brand logo splashed across it they're making some abstract corporation richer, that they who make this stuff don't give a sh_t about surfing or you...just as long as you buy their stuff. That every time you walk down the street wearing their big-arsed logo's all over your clothes you're advertising their stuff for free? Suckers!!!!

When I look at a group of young guys here now I don't so much recognise surfers by their slightly scruffy hair, the tanned hands, feet & faces & the "crows feet" tan marks from squinting....Nope I recognise they by the fact they look like walking bill-boards.

Good on em.
Enough ranting. See ya.
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Postby Brent » Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:01 am

Phil, Mate.
Do two things.
1) Go to your wardrobe now & pick out every item of surfing-branded clothing you currently own. Read the label on the back & see where it is actually made.
After you've done that
2) Go to any good bookstore or your local Library. Look up the Canadian author Naomi Klein, read her two books "No Logo" and the later book (written in 2002) "Fences & Windows".

She is an independant journalist who's delivered speeches at the World Trade Organisation, World Bank & IMF. She is regularly published in the New York Times, The Globe & The Independant.

After that do some web searches on the organisations mentioned above, and Google up "Globalisation".
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Postby little waves » Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:03 pm

surfer guys are hottt :-)
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Postby nz girl » Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:25 am

brings new meaning to the expression 'fashion victim'....if somehow you simply must have the new nokia "quicksilver" phone then go for it. perhaps having this essential assessory will make you surf better, and even more importantly, will let everyone around you know that you are an ueber-cool surfer.
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Postby babyboarder89 » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:23 pm

what i wanty to know is how anyone can afford to wear labels and have branded phones and clothes. i dont spend over £10 on a pair of trusers, EVER. so no labels for me. im saving for surfing.
on a completely unrelated point you are all very clever. i am utterly lost.
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Postby jonny » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:42 pm

Whilst you make a fabulous argument, here's another side to it though Brent...

I import certain brands of surfboards and I also bring in their t-shirts.
9 days out of 10 - I wear a t-shirt with the logo of one of those brands on my chest.

So does that make me part of the globalisation problem? No - beacuse the brands I wear are still small, independent surfboard manufacturers and by wearing the t-shirts I am promoting their names and raising their brand awareness in the UK.

I think a broad-brush "all surf-branded clothing" is evil, and is the reason there is a McDonlads on every street corner, and every town looks the same is the wrong way to look at it.

In reality - the problem lies in the big surf brands are no longer surfing companies. They are clothing distributors that have an association either self-made of from the past with surfing and that is their marketing strategy

Anyone been to Torquay Australia? Home of the great Bells Beach? A surfing epicenter and birthplace of Rip Curl. Every shop is a huge surf warehouse, o'neill, billabong, rip-curl, quicksilver etc etc etc. How many world class surfboard shapers still produce surfboards there do you think???

ONE!!!! South Coast Surfboards.

Wouldn't it be great just to be able to crack a couple of cold one, sit on the beaach and chew the fat over this one for a few hours?
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Postby Phil » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:23 pm

Jonny has a good point im going to chuck my 2p's worth in here

Bare with me here im not the best with words but ill try to make my point clear

in regard to globalisation a lot of companies not just clothing manufactures have to move there factories abroad to be able to compete in a global market, lets take dyson vacuum cleaners, the company was founded in this country a few years back was so successful that the demand for the product was so big he had to move his factory to another country if he stayed here the cost of making vacuum cleaners here would have lost him his business, he couldn’t make a profit or compete agenised other companies making similar products, this is why so many companies move aboard, they don’t have much of a choose now ill get on to sweat shops

a lot of these companies don’t exploit workers, they are paid an above average wage for that country and normally treated much better than a lot of the jobs on offer to them, granted the pay would be nothing compared to here but remember the cost of living is cheap there, on a whole the workers there aren’t to bad off

ive searched about for sweat shops on the internet and didn’t find anything on surf brands I did how ever find a lot of info on companies like GAP, Levi, Ralph larean and other designer named clothes nothing on surf clothing but that’s not to say there is, I haven’t read the book you subjected and prob wont just don’t have the time to

I don’t wear cloths for the image I have a lot of stuff I wear that doesn’t have a name on it I wear it because I like it not because it’s made my quicksilver or ripcurl etc
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Postby Phil » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:42 pm

as for surf companies not caring about surfers that’s not true lets look at oxbow they sponsor the world longboard contest, they have donated loads of cash to SAS (surfers agenised sewage) I also don’t think laird would have done so much for the surfing if he hadn’t been for oxbow sponsoring him
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Postby Brent » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:03 pm

Guys...I wrote a thumping big reply to this thread.....and promptly lost it somewhere. My provider blipped or something.
Damm, run out of steam now.

re Mr Dyson. His vacuum cleaners sell in NZ for over 900 dollars (thats over 300 pounds) they always have. They are more than twice the price of any other vacuum cleaner. His recient shift to Aisan production is about reducing his overheads to make more profit...not survival for his brand, if it was, the move to Asia would have greatly reduced the retail price as well...correct?.

Sponsorship. It's great, unlike many other sports the original figure-heads of the key brands (Billabong etc) are still involved with their companies....and they surf.

Asian products. Jonny, I am not dissing Asian & alternative brands. I think they are great. A refreshing change is pending in the surfing industry and especially board manfacturing as a result. But I am dissing the well-known brands that make their products in Asia to reduce costs & then ship them back home ...but continue to charge western retail prices. It's called increasing your margin...at everybodies cost - both those who make the goods & us who pay for them.

On a more important note..
This morning I had a great surf at Raglan on the West coast of NZ (in the Tasman Sea), and late this afternoon another at Whangamata on the east coast (in the Pacific). A rare double treat.
Now I'm enjoying a cold beer.....cheers chaps.
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Postby [Poket] Marcos » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:52 pm

Brent dude why are you so mad over what people wear? I mean i don't surf or anything but I do skate and come on dude why aren't they allowed to wear what they want on there shirts. They paid for it, and you didn't so what wrong. I mean if a person ca afford it well then let them its not your hard ear money is it. But seriously I've put shirts and pants to the test, and well a 15 dollar etnies skate shirts last longer then a 5 for 10 shirt. actually i have a 2 year old etnies shirt and its still good. Usually the cheap shirts last about 4 month of washing and then they start to rip and tear, and the neck line starts to strech. My etnies clothes have yet to stretch or tear, and I give them the same abuse. Pants wise I’ve found that anchor blue ® pants last longer at tearing but color fades fast, regular levis last longer on color, and I’ve bought cheap pants from local walmart and they usually tear at the knees fast.
So I’d rather spend a couple of more dollars on clothes and wear a logo across my chest, but they last then to wear a cheap shirt no logo and have it tear in a couple of month. If you really sit and think about it your spending the same money because your buying much more frequently. But about supporting a major company such as quicksilver, vans, roxy etc. and being there banner for free, well that’s for people to decide. If you like the shirt, pants, skirt, blouse, underwear, glasses what ever who cares if it has a logo, as long as the buyer likes it then why not buy it. If I like an item whether it’s was bought at Nordstrom or The local shop I don’t care I like it and I will wear it not somebody else
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Postby uRa » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:50 pm

Surfers understand surfers... someday I will find a man who understand me as the surfer I am and who loves me as the woman I am! ... I hope so...
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Postby Laguna » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:50 am

okay, so girls like gus who are ool and surf. But what about guys wearing wetsuits? Do girls actually like that or is it just the so called coolness from wearing flash boardshorts and having muscles?
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Postby dondiemand » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:25 pm

reading from all the posts, i do think everyone has their own opinion, and everyone is different, what looks good on you, may not look good on someone, it's all relative, and surfing isnt about the clothes you wear or the songs u listen to, surfing was invented for pure fun, no standards that needs to be met
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Postby sinistapenguin » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:43 am

re Mr Dyson. His vacuum cleaners sell in NZ for over 900 dollars (thats over 300 pounds) they always have. They are more than twice the price of any other vacuum cleaner. His recient shift to Aisan production is about reducing his overheads to make more profit...not survival for his brand, if it was, the move to Asia would have greatly reduced the retail price as well...correct?.


Mr Dyson bought my parents' old caravan off us back in 1984!! No, really. When he lived in Dyson's farm, Bathford, Bath - UK.

We used to climb over his wall and swim in his pool when he was out!!

Tee hee

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Postby surferdude18 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:37 pm

well everyone here surfs but i seen some fatguys surf im not fat in particular but i've seen them but some how i surf and i dont get girls lol o well the waves fix that for me and my board. Surfing- its not what u cant get out of the girls its wwhat you ride and how long you ride the wave girls yea there kewl and all, but i concetrate more on the wave girls is a good addition to have lol :P
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Postby sharky » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:28 am

i think guys that surf r hot in most cases but what i wanna know is do girls that surf turn on the dudes?
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Postby gunner » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:30 am

surfer chicks are VERY HOT. i really like snowboarder chicks too. as long as they are still girly girls though.
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Postby grub » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:12 am

I don't really want to get into this as it’s a bit long winded...and the subject of this post is some sh%t about "Do girls find guys that are surfing more attractive"... who actually cares!)

Brent wrote:... Go to your wardrobe now & pick out every item of surfing-branded clothing you currently own. Read the label on the back & see where it is actually made...

Ok, did that. Majority say made in Australia, what is your point; I am Australian and happy to support the Australian surfing industry... This is my choice...

jonny wrote:I import certain brands of surfboards and I also bring in their t-shirts. 9 days out of 10 - I wear a t-shirt with the logo of one of those brands on my chest.

So does that make me part of the globalisation problem? No - beacuse the brands I wear are still small, independent surfboard manufacturers and by wearing the t-shirts I am promoting their names and raising their brand awareness in the UK.

Jonny, in your case I think it would defiantly be regarded as cheap advertising. My favorite shirt is a Mick Carabine Performance Longboard shirt and I wear it both as I like his product and wish to promote it so that it does stay around.

jonny wrote:I think a broad-brush "all surf-branded clothing" is evil, and is the reason there is a McDonlads on every street corner, and every town looks the same is the wrong way to look at it.

In reality - the problem lies in the big surf brands are no longer surfing companies. They are clothing distributors that have an association either self-made of from the past with surfing and that is their marketing strategy

I feel that with the bigger companies you also must look at how some of there gross profits are spent... for example, in the area of wetsuit Research and Development Rip Curl work hard on providing an innovative but practical product that benefits the surfer. If there sales were not so high would they invest so much time and money into this research?

jonny wrote:Anyone been to Torquay Australia? Home of the great Bells Beach? A surfing epicenter and birthplace of Rip Curl. Every shop is a huge surf warehouse, o'neill, billabong, rip-curl, quicksilver etc etc etc. How many world class surfboard shapers still produce surfboards there do you think???

ONE!!!! South Coast Surfboards.

Yes, now considering that the Torquay is only a small part of this area below Melbourne at the start of the Great Ocean Road; are you try to say "South Coast Surfboards" is the only ONE in the area? Maybe in Torque, but I am sure that there are many more within a 30min drive. They are a big well established surfboard manufacture producing a high quality, recognisable product that has been around I wont try to take this away... for all that are interested check out there site: http://www.southcoastlongboards.com.au/fins/

The point I would like to make is that major traditional brands such as Rip Curl, Quicksilver, O&E, Billabong, etc. etc. at least put a little back into surfing.... believe them to be far more beneficial to the non commercialised surfing culture than the newer brands (Multinational Companies) that only invest is advertising....
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Postby Broosta » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:46 am

sharky wrote:i think guys that surf r hot in most cases but what i wanna know is do girls that surf turn on the dudes?


Yep :D .
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Postby grub » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:02 pm

Broosta wrote:
sharky wrote:i think guys that surf r hot in most cases but what i wanna know is do girls that surf turn on the dudes?


Yep :D .


you said it.. yep
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