Surfers supporting Black lives matter

[nooshie]

You aren’t open to discussion. You have already made your mind up on all of these issues despite numerous people coming forward and offering various viewpoints and pointing to a variety of sources to offer evidence that racism exists, which frankly, is ridiculous. We aren’t here to provide you with the free labor of our research, over and over again, just to have you dismiss it. You should be doing this research on your own if you are actually curious about the issue. Instead, like some sort of bot, you keep saying over and over racism doesn’t exist and requiring members of a forum about SURFING to provide you with evidence.

Your denial of the existence of structural racism, is in fact deeply racist. These two pieces explain it well: https://diverseeducation.com/article/186925/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... m.amp.html

I’m sure you will dismiss these websites as “liberal bs” so I’m done here. But I have to call out racism when I see it, we all have to be actively anti-racist to fix these issues. It’s not at all enjoyable to discuss things with you because you have shown yourself to be incredibly narrow minded. There’s tons and tons of information online that you could use to inform yourself. It’s not my job to educate you, especially when you are so dismissive of any information that challenges your viewpoint.

[waikikikichan]

And, there are not so many black surfers. Are black people prohibited from surfing? Should the government give every black person a surfing board and certificate for 5 free surfing lessons?

Well if you don't learn to SWIM, then you probably not going to learn how to SURF. ( especially if you're told / indoctrinated not to go near the water )

[oldmansurfer]

It's not just Hawaii surfers https://www.worldsurfleague.com/posts/455624/tyler-wright-takes-a-knee-in-solidarity-with-black-lives-matter-at-the-tweed-coast-pro

[BoMan]

“However, I don’t mind mind some affirmative action (especially, taking into consideration that I am likely to end up with blackish kids).

The experience of becoming the parent of a blackish child and helping them navigate the world will give you a new perspective.

[OlegLupusov]

Nooshie,

I am totally open to an intellectual discussion on the merits. I don’t think you are:)

You can only offer some general slogans without any evidence or specifics, emphasised by insults, some ridiculously factually inaccurate, incoherent and BS articles by rappers turned out to be authors of racist books for little kids.

I am even ready to discuss the BS articles you referred to:

Article 1: The author of the article is some rapper, dancer, radio commentator who became a teacher of some entertainment studies. This guy wrote an extremely racist book for little kids which is disgusting per se (what could be more racist than claiming that black skin (or any other skin color) is super power and black people are superior as compared to other races).

Apart from the controversial personality of the author, there baseless statements without any reference to research, court documents and scientific sources. He literally cites TV shows as basis for his points (“Office”, “Blackish”, etc).

The author intentionally and in bad faith misrepresents the facts: for instance, “public execution of GF” (being a career criminal who threatened a pregnant woman with a firearm, GF obviously OD’ed while resisting arrest for a felony. And, there is no indication that a race was a factor in the way GF was treated. None. To say nothing about any actual evidence.

Besides GF incident, the only specific incident dates back to 1920s.

This article is so primitive, inaccurate, useless and so full of self-entitlement, ridiculous righteousness and racism.

Just be specific. Cite any example of institutional racism as of now. Not 100 years ago. Not 20 years ago. As of now. Institutional racism. Not individual racism. Do you even understand what “institutional racism” means?

[LostAtSea]

Nooshie,

I am totally open to an intellectual discussion on the merits. I don’t think you are:)

You can only offer some general slogans without any evidence or specifics, emphasised by insults, some ridiculously factually inaccurate, incoherent and BS articles by rappers turned out to be authors of racist books for little kids.

I am even ready to discuss the BS articles you referred to:

Article 1: The author of the article is some rapper, dancer, radio commentator who became a teacher of some entertainment studies. This guy wrote an extremely racist book for little kids which is disgusting per se (what could be more racist than claiming that black skin (or any other skin color) is super power and black people are superior as compared to other races).

Apart from the controversial personality of the author, there baseless statements without any reference to research, court documents and scientific sources. He literally cites TV shows as basis for his points (“Office”, “Blackish”, etc).

The author intentionally and in bad faith misrepresents the facts: for instance, “public execution of GF” (being a career criminal who threatened a pregnant woman with a firearm, GF obviously OD’ed while resisting arrest for a felony. And, there is no indication that a race was a factor in the way GF was treated. None. To say nothing about any actual evidence.

Besides GF incident, the only specific incident dates back to 1920s.

This article is so primitive, inaccurate, useless and so full of self-entitlement, ridiculous righteousness and racism.

Just be specific. Cite any example of institutional racism as of now. Not 100 years ago. Not 20 years ago. As of now. Institutional racism. Not individual racism. Do you even understand what “institutional racism” means?

The important conversations are based on what to do about systemic racism, not whether it exists.

We know it exists, you just need to read beyond your political bubble.

I think you mentioned Wiki in an earlier post. Do 1/2 hr of research of Societal Racism, or institutional Racism, or Systemic Racism.

Again there are loads of conclusive studies. I can't force you to read them, but you have to be willing to accept that maybe there are things you have overlooked.

Also, avoid anecdotal data from all perspectives, for or against your point of view.

[OlegLupusov]

Don’t you understand that there are no specific specifics whatsoever:)?

Nobody has provided MeV with the specific instances of institutional/systematic/Government racism.

Could you please double check the facts and may be you overlooked smth:)

I don’t any have political agenda. I cannot even vote this election cycle. But I can tell BS from proper arguments when I see it!

I am still waiting on the apology from Noooshie!

And, surprise...surprise! Not everyone agrees on the existence of institutional racism as of now!

[OlegLupusov]

And, there are not so many black surfers. Are black people prohibited from surfing? Should the government give every black person a surfing board and certificate for 5 free surfing lessons?

Well if you don't learn to SWIM, then you probably not going to learn how to SURF. ( especially if you're told / indoctrinated not to go near the water )

Sure! That’s my point. Many older black people cannot swim because of the racism. Some of younger black cannot swim because of their parents and their parents’ culture, fears, behavior, etc (all resulting from prior instances of racism). As of now, the culture is at fault. So let’s change and address the culture and behavioural patterns!

However, the people blame past racism but want to preserve and defend the current culture and behavioural patterns! You can’t fight smth that does not exist right now. One should address the current cause, I.e. culture and behavioural patterns.
So the PAST racism caused the culture and behavior.
The PAST racism is the ultimate evil. As of now, there is none at the institutional level. So the Past racism could not be a proper target. The culture and behavior could be at fault right now.
It’s totally okay to conclude that black are genetically equal to all other races and historical economical misfortunes should not be attributed to black people being inferior to other races. Giving free money and making black people privileged would not resolve the issue.

But that’s a side note! I had completely different point using surfing as an example of not so efficient affirmation action. My original point was that as of just giving surfboards and lesson certificates would not resolve the issue and that such resolution is unfair and that I and (some other surfers) may not want more surfers of any ethnicity or race in the Ocean because there are already too many surfers and that many Black people would not go surfing even if they have all these free surfboards and lesson certificates and the secondary market of non wanted surfboards and lesson certificates may be detrimental to the surfing industry.

[oldmansurfer]

Racism still exists both as groups of racist individuals and the effects that persist from past racism. if you don’t support giving non whites an equal chance to surf that is just a persistence of the effects of past racism

[OlegLupusov]

I agree with “groups of racist” and “effects of past racism”. But none of that results in the institutional racism or governmental racism.

Are you for real with “equal access to non-white surfers”?
I just don’t want any New surfers of any ethnicity or race in already overcrowded spots. No discrimination here.

And, I don’t think that the unequality is always identical to inequity. Neither should you.

[oldmansurfer]

The current government is promoting racism from the top down

[OlegLupusov]

How? Why do you think so?
Are you talking about calling a virus that came China and got spread bcs of the Chinese government “Chinese virus”?

[oldmansurfer]

He started off with Obama birtherism. Obviously Obama couldn't be an American because he wasn't white. He also told 3 non white congresswomen to go back to the country that they came from. He also tweets racist stuff frequently and say the leader of the KKK is a good person. It's really endless stuff including the China virus and his banning all Chinese national from traveling to the USA while doing nothing to stop people of other races from spreading the virus. He is so clearly a racist and then by extension so is the Republican party since their party line is to support Trump 100%.

[waikikikichan]

If the “wall” is being built to stop terrorist from coming, are they not building it on the wrong border ? The Northern border is where the 911 terrorist came through, not the Southern Mexican border.

[OlegLupusov]

Obama claimed to be a foreign student when it was beneficial to him. Then he had to face the consequences. Being black actually helped him to survive that.

Attacks on congress women is resulting from their culture and criticism of the USA. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I bet that Russian girls (although being white) would get harsher treatment for doing the same stuff

Don’t jump at the conclusions. These women got what they got for their behavior, culture and criticism of The USA.

Just be reasonable. There are people who disagree with you. But still they could be good people.

You can’t label everybody a racist, a demon, a serial killer just for disagreeing with you.

I helped/saved more black people that you talked to. I have listened to hundreds of life stories told by people of color when lying would be a crime.

I have metal plates/screws all over my body. I have knife wounds, I have been shot at. I had six-seven concussions. Black people have nothing to do with that.

I lived for 3,5 years with an Asian girl. My current girlfriend of 3 years is black. My best youth friend friend was an Arab. I stopped talking to him after he killed his wife. It has nothing to do with him being an Arab.

I have knocked out more white guys than black ones. On one occasion, I knocked out a couple of black guys. Does it make me a racist? I don’t think so. I did so to defend myself.

So, if a black guy gets killed or receives some harsh treatment, it’s quite possible that it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

And, I strongly believe that Nooshie owes me an apology for calling me a racist.

[OlegLupusov]

If the “wall” is being built to stop terrorist from coming, are they not building it on the wrong border ? The Northern border is where the 911 terrorist came through, not the Southern Mexican border.

Are you talking about Canada?

[oldmansurfer]

Obama did not pretend to be a foreign student. That is a lie. Attacks on congresswomen had to do with them being critical of him which he can't stand because he suffers from a mental disorder. Trump is just a jerk and a bully. He has no resort other than making up lies about people and calling them names. He is the lowest life ever occupying the whitehouse. People could be good but not if they disagree with Trump because he is a little cry baby who can't handle disagreements. He is using his office to silence anyone who disagrees with him because he doesn't want American people to know the truth. he is a hoax.

[LostAtSea]

Hi Oleg.

I have another google assignment for you. Google - I have a black friend

[OlegLupusov]

Hi Oleg.

I have another google assignment for you. Google - I have a black friend

Not sure whether you are in a position to have assignments for me:)

I already know this BS meme or whatever it is. I don’t see any relevance. Never used it as an argument per se. Just an indication of personal knowledge of successful black people and/or demonstration of the exposure!

I am pretty sure that I communicated to more black people and other minorities both time wise and head count wise.

If it was another accusation of racism I expect an apology from you as well. If not, an explanation would be nice.

Pathetic Noorie does not have balls and brains to apologize for its (not sure about gender) idiotic accusations.

I hope that you are better that this not so smart coward.

Do you want the police being abolished as well?

[Ace864]

It was a great flashmob, but I strongly believe that all lives matter