Surfers supporting Black lives matter

[oldmansurfer]

KKK want to kick the blacks out or make life harder for them BLM just wants an equal chance.

[oldmansurfer]

America is the country which mistreated colored people for years. They didn't mistreat white people. America needs to be held responsible for their past transgressions.

[OlegLupusov]

BLM Representatives promote racism against non black people by the means of violence and the deprivation of property, preferential treatment of blacks people at the expense of the other races.

KKK basically claims that white people are better without any agenda or even a road map! It’s hardly surviving as everybody hates it. If anything, they claim some preferential treatment for white people and condemn mixed couples.

“C-d people” is a racial slur now. You can get in trouble for using it:)

Asians (including Japanese within WW2), native Americans, Jews, communists (mostly white), gay people (including white), Russians etc have been mistreated in the USA.
So what? You can’t claim racism as of now on the basis of the history.
And, America as people? There is no free money! Any preferential treatment could be done only at the expense of the others.
Why should a more qualified Asian/Hispanic/Jewish kid suffer (not being admitted to a school he wants or getting a job he needs)? What’s the justification for it?

People who feel responsible for the actions of their ancestors are more than welcome to donate their money. But why should everybody pay these reparations?

[oldmansurfer]

The problem is that equality for the races hasn't been accomplished. For instance Trump had a rental that didn't allow blacks to rent . That problem was resolved but still the racism that caused that problem still exists and discrimination on the basis of race still exists which is no worry for white people. It's a national problem and needs a national solution.

[OlegLupusov]

Such discrimination is prohibited by the law. One cannot refuse service based on the race.

What discrimination are you talking about?
BLM labels any conflict involving black people as racially motivated. But people argue and fight all the time for completely different reasons.
I have been attacked by different representatives of minorities and they used racial slurs. I don’t think they attacked me because I was white. I strongly believe that they have different motives to attack me and the race was not the one in question.

It’s like every intoxicated black kid calls bouncers racists when they kick him out. But the bouncers kick him out because he misbehaves not because he is black,

I have been kicked out from different bars myself.

[LostAtSea]

Please explain how BLM is different from the current version of KKK?
I think that addressing specifics is a good idea.

Liberal BS may make sense as a general idea but it falls apart if you go into specifics.

As for numbers, more white people are killed By the police under similar circumstances than black people proportionally not in absolute numbers.
As for being poor and relevant numbers, the skin color should not be a Definite factor. It’s more about geography and bad neighbourhood.

Why should black people from bad neighbourhood should be more privileged than white people from bad neighbourhood. Most likely, the ancestors of trail park people suffered from some sort of injustice, atrocities and misfortunes.

Obviously, kids from poor families have fewer opportunities, unattractive kids of ugly parents have fewer opportunities than beautiful kids, the same is true for low IQ kids.

And, we should compare opportunities not outcomes!

And, there are many factors to consider. Destructive culture and the absence of fathers are some of the many.
Somehow, we are required to appreciate “rap” and “fleshin' the police” culture. Not doing so makes us racist. Attributing any misfortunes and inclinations to commit crimes to this culture is also racist.
Reporting criminals to the police is racist,
Basically, everything rather than condemning the police and admiring drugs addicts who committed multiple violent crimes and got shot or oven ODed while resisting police is racist.

There are many, many robust studies that show that people of color are discriminated against in regards, to employment opportunities, school applications, bank loans, car loans, mortgages, etc... It's not even a debate.

They are easily available online to read.

[OlegLupusov]

Please be specific:)
I have seen many of these reports. All of them proved to be deficient.

Banks don’t even know the race of the borrower.
If anything, I see more instances of affirmative action than anything remotely close to racism.

If some guy has a criminal record and a low credit score, he may face some difficulties irrelevant of his race.

[oldmansurfer]

One can do a lot of discrimination on the basis of race. The fact that it is illegal stops most people from openly discriminating but people still hold racist views and discriminate based on race.

[BoMan]

So what? You can’t claim racism as of now on the basis of the history.

The goal is to have a level playing field for everyone and right now it's not.

Some folks due to the accident of their birth live where it is not safe in their homes or their neighborhoods. Some folks due to the accident of their birth live where the air and water are polluted and suffer greater health risks than the general population. Some due to the accident of their birth can not attend high quality schools, get a good education or find a living wage job.

These are examples of institutional racism that we need to address.

[BoMan]

There are many, many robust studies that show that people of color are discriminated against in regards, to employment opportunities, school applications, bank loans, car loans, mortgages, etc... It's not even a debate. They are easily available online to read.

I trust information from The Smithsonian

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/158-resources-understanding-systemic-racism-america-180975029/

[OlegLupusov]

“I trust information from The Smithsonian”

Don’t trust it. It’s factually inaccurate and obviously biased and full of bigotry.

And, I didn’t see any research on the institutional bias anyway.

There are a lot of white/Asian etc people who were born “by accident” with some limited resources or even disabled either mentally or physically.

However, I don’t mind mind some affirmative action (especially, taking into consideration that I am likely to end up with blackish kids).

But it should be done wisely. People should be responsible for their choices and should be discouraged from blaming all their misfortunes on the color of the skin.

The inequality of the outcomes should be researched and all the factors including some cultural aspects should be adequately addressed. And, the inequality of the outcome does not equal the inequity.

There are plenty of opportunities for smart poor kids to get in decent schools and succeed in the USA.

People come here without any knowledge of English and still succeed.

Anyway, the riots and violence are not good and detrimental to the country and the society. And, BLM creates false narrative, misinformation general public, promotes and incites riots and violence or/and at least peace disturbance.

I strongly believe that this movement/organization should be called out on all of that and adequately handled as a radical and racist movement/organization

[krustyburger]

Here's a white paper from the Social Security Administration that dives into the differences in wealth between races in our nation.

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/workingpapers/wp95.html

There is a lot of data to pour over here, but what is telling to me are the differences in wealth between races among people that do not have a high school education. This is the socioeconomic group where being white vs. black matters the most. At the upper levels of education it matters much less.

The important questions are: Do we want to allow these differences in wealth among Americans of different races to continue compounding generation after generation into greater inequity? Do we have any reason to believe that wealth inequities will not continue to increase if we do not implement policies that lead us in a different direction. Do we really want to live in a "winner take all" society? If, not. What do we do about it?

I support the notion and sentiment of "Black Lives Matter" as a call to pay attention to these differences in our society and to support action to that effect. There are probably some valid criticisms of BLM as an organization, which is a completely different issue entirely. Of course, recognizing these inequities alone is not enough to get rid of them. We are not going to solve a 200+ year problem overnight, but it needs to be addressed or its only going to get worse .

[OlegLupusov]

Please don't confuse inequity and inequality.

There are very few Asian (and even white) professional and successful basketball players, footballers, boxers, and musicians.
Should we "even the field" there as well?

And, there are not so many black surfers. Are black people prohibited from surfing? Should the government give every black person a surfing board and certificate for 5 free surfing lessons? or make only black people surfing spots or only black people surfing days?
If so, would even "even the field"? Would it be fair? Would it result in equity or inequality? How many many people would actually use their certificate and the surfboard? How many would get hooked? How many would transfer this hobby to their kids?


Any, artificial "socialism like", measures are detrimental to the economy and the country. Just remember what happened to the USSR.

Supporting BLM is racism, not vice versa. turning a blind eye on all "minor issues" with this movement/organization right now may result in major issues pretty soon. Hopefully, not. All the money from tech companies may come with some strings.

[BoMan]

There are plenty of opportunities for smart poor kids to get in decent schools and succeed in the USA.

There may be opportunities but at the end of the day many students cannot take advantage. It takes an exceptional family to overcome the challenges. For example...

I taught at an elementary school serving a hispanic community with 80% of students qualifying for free and reduced lunch. Many of my kiddos arrived at school without breakfast or a coat on winter days. The school could not afford bi-lingual teacher-aides to support students in the classroom. Their living situation did not allow them an evening meal, adult support for homework or a quiet space for work. Wifi, computers or tablets were not available.

Our teacher mantra was "For students to be successful in college they must learn to read by grade 3 and be able to read to learn in 4th grade and beyond." To make that happen support is needed for teacher training, classroom aides, 2nd language counselors, parent outreach/training and educational tech. The price tag is high to level the playing field for this single group.

Postsecondary Graduation Rates
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator_red.asp

[krustyburger]

Please don't confuse inequity and inequality.

There are very few Asian (and even white) professional and successful basketball players, footballers, boxers, and musicians.
Should we "even the field" there as well?

We are talking about inequities that ultimately lead to less opportunities and shorter lifespans. I don't think your examples of differences in sports / music can really be used as a comparison. Those differences you cite may be notable but trivial.

[OlegLupusov]

BoMan, aren’t you talking about immigrant kids who don’t know the language? If anything, it proves that immigrants are by far disadvantaged but still make it:)

Krustyburger,

What inequities are you talking about? Unhealthy food is more about culture than money. It could be even cheaper than junk food.

American citizens (even uneducated) have a lot of opportunities to provide for their families.

Being a criminal is a matter of choice, not necessity.

Access to health insurance is determined by one’s job. In California, you can even get free health insurance.

We don’t that many college educated professionals. So, it makes sense to let smart kids in college and not so smart kids do smth else. A good carpenter or farmer makes more money that a college educated manager and is likely to be respected to a greater extent.

We can do smth about wealthy idiots like Chris Cuomo attending Ivy League schools. It’s more fair to address such instances of corruption than entail more corruption by admitting not academically deserving kids to top schools based on their race.

I personally know people who managed to make millions of dollars In the USA without even speaking English and any local education.


All this rhetoric creates ridiculous sense of entitlement and excuses of the adverse consequences of one’s own choices and behavior.

I like obstacles. They make me efficient. Privileges result in the degeneration.

[nooshie]

I deeply hope for the sake of your future bi-racial children that you do your homework on this and open your mind and accept that structural racism exists in America and has negatively affected Black Americans for decades. You are continuing to disagree with every single point someone tries to make. How are we actually going to have a conversation about something like this if you refuse to consider another point of view? This has become a forum for your racist manifesto and agenda rather than a place for dialogue. People on here have been so incredibly patient with you and pointed to so many sources which I doubt you’ve looked at, but I’ll offer one more. The report from the Kerner Commission which set out to investigate the reasons behind the riots and civil unrest of the 1960s. Here’s the Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerner_Commission.

Many of the things you’ve said on here are deeply racist and frankly harmful. I do hope you can find it in your heart to consider the other side. And if you do end up raising bi-racial children, please expand the sources you’re drawing from to come to these conclusions. Their experience of the world is likely to be different than your own.

[LostAtSea]

Please be specific:)
I have seen many of these reports. All of them proved to be deficient.

Banks don’t even know the race of the borrower.
If anything, I see more instances of affirmative action than anything remotely close to racism.

If some guy has a criminal record and a low credit score, he may face some difficulties irrelevant of his race.

Google “mortgage discrimination statistics”

[OlegLupusov]

What statements of mine do you consider racist?
It’s a serious accusation. Either explain yourself or apologize.

I did check the websites that other people mentioned.
I did not any evidence of the current system/institutional racism.
But I did find a lot of factually inaccurate information.

I am kindly asking for any evidence of system/institutional racism. And, you guys fail to offer any. I do agree that there is some racism on individual level. Among police officers as well. But people are afraid to express it openly anyway.

I do agree that there was slavery many years ago, that there was segregation and institutional racism last century, racist laws etc. But there is none as of now. Or even this century.

Overall, black are poorer because of the prior racism, etc.

There are “old money” families all over the world. In the USA, these families are mostly white. Is it fair? Probably, not. But socialism is not a solution.
Is it racist? Not really. Does it result from previous racism? Probably. Does it prove the current racism at the institutional level . Obviously, no!

I am addressing every issue that has been raised instead of talking in slogans and general statements as you do.

And, once again I do agree that there a lot of racist individuals in the USA but I strongly believe that there is no institutional racism at the government level.

If you want to discuss the shootings or any other instances of alleged racism on the merits I am prepared to do so.

The same re: BLM being radical and racist.

[oldmansurfer]

Our president is racist so definitely at the presidential level of the government there is racism