by Raysn29 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:54 pm
by oldmansurfer » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:40 pm
by jaffa1949 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:52 pm
by Raysn29 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:29 pm
jaffa1949 wrote:Hi Raysn, let's cut to the chase and give you some challenges.
You are in the very beginner stages of surfing, you will improve from this.
If you are having difficulty popping up not much else will be working yet, because by the time you organise your footing on the board most of the chance to do turns and anything else has gone.
You certainly would not be capable of handling the wave you posted ( which like most beach photos is one of the better day) .
North Sea surf by the nature of the bathymetry of the offshore banks is local wind swell, mushy short period, not particularly hollow or steep. Only a few days fit that description?
Slots of duck diving or turtle rolls to get out, .
Now about turning, neither board will be any different for you at this stage, it is you that needs to learn the skills of turning.
The boards, The Pukas is a float machine easy catch soft foam board, with rubber fins.
Fun but a user friendly early learning tool. That you will quickly outgrow in skill.
The 8'6" board, is it soft or hard, if it is a hard board, yes at this stage it would seem more difficult but it's dimensions would serve you well for quality learning. Not so user friendly in the beginning but a better board over the long run.
Post a picture or link of it just to make sure!
Your weight height and age would also help us suggest which board is suitable.
Other forumites will probably help with suggestion too.
Good news , one or twomtimes a week will give you some steady progress and each an everyone here progressed at their own rate!
by Oldie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:51 pm
by jaffa1949 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:20 pm
by waikikikichan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:58 pm
Raysn29 wrote: so my progress is going slow, slower then my friends
Raysn29 wrote:So I guess I have 2 questions
1. Which board would be able to turn easier so I can practice going down the line, or do you guys think the difference between the 2 in turning is almost negligible?
2. Looking at the type of waves we have, which board would you guys suggest?
by Raysn29 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:04 pm
Oldie wrote:Hey Neighbour! The picture you post are dream conditions, probably not even 5 days per year like that.
If you look what people surf in Scheveningen, you will see a lot, and some quite good, longboarders with boards longer than 9ft (you see shortboarders and midlength as well) The problem with the North Sea is that you have, even on the best days, weak waves with a maximum period of 7s, and no predictable peak, but waves that somehow pop up (short period) anywhere around you and behave different every time (thanks to wind and overlapping swells). That means you need to react fast or anticipate early, and you may feel that with a longer board you cannot do that. But you can - you need to start into the waves early, and paddle hart. If you cannot pop up on a 8.6, you need to work on the technique. I would rent/try a bit more and save the invested money into a teacher with indvidual lessons. You are so early in you development that it is still possible to avoid bad habits, and a teacher helps a lot, and after a few lessons he will also be able to advise you on the right board for you. Hartbeach & Aloha rent out decent boards at various sizes for little money, and they have a good school.
90l is a lot for your size. And honestly, why buy a softtop? If you are comitted to surfing, you will outgrow that fast.
This is one of the normal good days at the North Sea. Heavy onshore.20160514-DSC_1136.jpg
P.S: And if for whatever reasons you definitely want a Softboard, look at the Softtech handshaped 8.0.
by Raysn29 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:10 pm
waikikikichan wrote:Raysn29 wrote: so my progress is going slow, slower then my friends
So what type of boards and length of boards are they riding compared to you ?Raysn29 wrote:So I guess I have 2 questions
1. Which board would be able to turn easier so I can practice going down the line, or do you guys think the difference between the 2 in turning is almost negligible?
2. Looking at the type of waves we have, which board would you guys suggest?
1) The similarity between the two is the same driver of the vehicle, if you can NOT do a clean pop and proper stance, you won't be able to bottom turn to then go down the line on either board. You're putting the Cart in front of the Horse. Learn to paddle better, learning timing, learning to pop up correctly.
2) That wave looks awesome, I would love to surf that wave on any size board. BUT............ from what Oldie says, that photo is not normal conditions.
by Raysn29 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:13 pm
jaffa1949 wrote:Some more thoughts for you to consider, you need to bring body flexibility to turns.
No flex means you are try to,turn by leaning, a quick way to have many wipeouts in short period mixed up swells, get advice on increasing your flexibility.
A lot of power for turns comes from extension and weight loading out of squats.
Early days , be clear in your assessment of where you are and what the Waves are for you.
Have fun, it takes time, effort, get real about boards, 8'6" the least you should be on.
The pukas is really just a toy!.
Keep at it, get some lessons and takle more to,us before you buy any board!
by RinkyDink » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:00 am
Raysn29 wrote:Board 1: Very wide but short with 7'0 x 25 3/8 x 3 85 liter. Much easier to pop up, more stable, seem to not pearl as much due too shorter size, easier to turtle roll big whitewash (we have a shitton of whitewash). This board feels better overall then board 2, but turns more difficult?
by RinkyDink » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:42 am
Oldie wrote:The problem with the North Sea is that you have, even on the best days, weak waves with a maximum period of 7s, and no predictable peak, but waves
by dtc » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:50 am
Raysn29 wrote:Hello Freund!
Honestly, most days I see a shitton of short boarders, followed by long boarders and a few people on minimal. But (to my eye at least) it mostly seems like shortboarders. I feel like short boarders can make so much more use of the waves, because they can move more up and down, instead of going sideways, a longboard needs such a large range of motion that the wave is over before you have turned with these shitty waves from the North Sea.
by RinkyDink » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:17 am
Oldie wrote:The problem with the North Sea is that you have, even on the best days, weak waves with a maximum period of 7s, and no predictable peak, but waves that somehow pop up (short period) anywhere around you and behave different every time (thanks to wind and overlapping swells). That means you need to react fast or anticipate early, and you may feel that with a longer board you cannot do that. But you can - you need to start into the waves early, and paddle hart.
by Oldie » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:06 am
RinkyDink wrote:Oldie wrote:The problem with the North Sea is that you have, even on the best days, weak waves with a maximum period of 7s, and no predictable peak, but waves
Maybe there's still enough of the analog world left in me to think that there's some surfer in Hamburg who goes out and explores the northern coast often enough to have found some secret surf spots that work fairly consistently. Some cove that catches the swell, but blocks the wind or a jetty that causes a wedged up wave to form. If you're determined enough, there might be treasure out there. Honestly though, I have no idea what the coastline along the North Sea is like. I know from my own experience, walking the coastline around here, that you can sometimes find decent waves in surprising places.
by Oldie » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:12 am
RinkyDink wrote:Oldie wrote:The problem with the North Sea is that you have, even on the best days, weak waves with a maximum period of 7s, and no predictable peak, but waves that somehow pop up (short period) anywhere around you and behave different every time (thanks to wind and overlapping swells). That means you need to react fast or anticipate early, and you may feel that with a longer board you cannot do that. But you can - you need to start into the waves early, and paddle hart.
One question I have is if a beginning surfer is going to be learning in mostly choppy, unpredictable surf with random peaks . . . would they be better off starting on a fish? I'm talking about after they've learned to pop up in white water. What's the consensus of the North Sea surfers (what are beginners riding in the lineups)?
by Oldie » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:25 am
Raysn29 wrote:...
Ive had 4 lessons at Aloha, the teacher told me I am not strong and flexible enough, thats why im struggling with my pop-up. I want to buy a soft top because its cheap and mostly for safety reasons. If I do grow out of it I will sell it and buy a hardtop, but for now I definitly don't trust myself on one.
To get back to my 2 questions however, what would your advice/input be?
Danke schone for the advice!
by jaffa1949 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:40 pm
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