Definative pop up thread

[surf patrol]

Thanks for the reply dtc

Can you break it down for me. As I believe, to do it properly you start in the yoga pose cobra and swing your legs, torso forward between your arms . Not so much a push up, like a flat plank.

I

in this video (2:16) he says its better to keep your hip up cause you have more space for your legs to swing threw

i also thougt you a cobra and than swing your legs under your body ? what is the proper technique ?

[Oswaldolo]

Oswaldolo, the ideal pop up is one movement to standing
Going to your knees as an intermediate step doesn't work all that well.
Have a read of all the pop up advice and do a lot of practicing whilst at home in Austria.

i think you got me wrong - i dont stand up over my knee ! i meant i lie down and just try to pop up without my toes - cause i cant use my feet anyway cause i have a shortboard !! you know what i mean ?
some video examples ...

i mean this has more sense to train right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1nlrBIFO8

than this ( cause i cant use my feet to pop up on shortboard ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q02opbjUt8g

thanks four your suggestions... - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21071#sthash.oMFt6c09.dpuf

[jaffa1949]

Oswaldolo your pop up is fine you have to pull your feet up under your chest, it is just a bit more difficult on the water on a board,Your technique will work out fine with water practice.
So Shoulder power and to lift and stomach muscles to pull the feet through and under the chest.
Where does this particular Östereicher go surfing? Spain or Portugal, I've met Austrian surfers all a round the world, even in remote Indonesian breaks!

[Oswaldolo]

Oswaldolo your pop up is fine you have to pull your feet up under your chest, it is just a bit more difficult on the water on a board,Your technique will work out fine with water practice.
So Shoulder power and to lift and stomach muscles to pull the feet through and under the chest.
Where does this particular Östereicher go surfing? Spain or Portugal, I've met Austrian surfers all a round the world, even in remote Indonesian breaks!

so its better to practise without feet or not ?

i mostly went to indo the last 6 years ( 4 times), once sri lanka, once nicaragua and once spain ( to cold bad waves )

we were mostly in bali/lembogan/lombok .... love the warm water and cheap prizes ... nica was great as well - one break was allways empthy in the morning (just one hotel in the entire bay) - it was amazing after the crowds in indo

[jaffa1949]

Train exactly how you pop up onyour board, any other way adds a different muscle memory and it could go to the un-useful way by instinct.
Always in training, train the way you wish to perform!
If you can handle Shipwreck or Playgrounds on Nusa Lembogan or the breaks on Lombok you haven't got much to worry about.
Just the time lag between good sessions.
Speed work abdominal strengthening and shoulder power/speed work out don't bulk up get high speed muscle rebound techniques.
do some swimming, endurance work followed by short rapid intensity bursts. this gives both stamina and power for quick paddles.

[peazz]

Ive recently gone down to a shorty, and have been struggling with my pop up (i end up with both feet directly over the tail).

Something that has kinda of helped, is envision you are only lifting up your bum, the rest will follow. Try it out..

[oldmansurfer]

I have several different pop ups I do. I really don't even think about it but this thread and other similar ones got me to watch myself and see what I do. If it is steep and critical I somehow pop up really fast. Sometimes when I am paddling into a wave I feel the wave catch the board but I am still too high on the wave so I put pressure on the front half of my board by pushing down with my arms just a sort of push up but I let my hips continue to contact the board then if I start to slip down the face I pop up or otherwise I paddle back out to try another wave or maybe drop back down and paddle some more. Then if I am getting hit by the white water before I am able to stand I sometimes do the same thing or kind of bring my feet up and still hang onto the board then go up after the wave quits pounding me. I also noticed on a real steep drop recently I popped up in a different orientation to my board my body was perpendicular to the bottom of the ocean and my board was almost the same. Usually I pop up with the same stance but I guess because this was so steep I angled my ankles a lot. Anyway don't know if any of this will help any of you but I do pretty good taking off on a variety of waves.

[55funsurf]

Weight forward

Chin on deck on the paddle in or at least keep upper body low

Extra paddle strokes

And these things done will force a change in pop up because Speed is way up ...

Not that I am expert in these things but that's what I constantly work on and my surfing steadily improves

[oldmansurfer]

Here is Kelly Slater's pop up

[dtc]

What's really noticeable is how much he is looking at where he is going to go (frontside for the first and last and backside for the second) well before he pops up. Basically already has the weight transfering.

Useful video - I never think Kelly will teach me anything useful (since what he calls surfing and what I call surfing is almost a different sport) but this one is good.

[CARBr6]

I like how he describes what he is doing as he goes through it.
What's interesting is that his weight transference is so extremem that he actually has one hand further back then the other depending on which way he is going to turn!

[dtc]

I like how he describes what he is doing as he goes through it.
What's interesting is that his weight transference is so extremem that he actually has one hand further back then the other depending on which way he is going to turn!

This is a good tip for everyone - someone told me about it years ago and it makes a big difference in making the pop up easier. Back hand (right hand for naturals) down near your hips/lower ribs and front hand up just under your shoulder.

[55funsurf]

Thanks so much for posting the video

I never realised or understood different hand positions

I am going to try to practice that....

[oldmansurfer]

I noticed that on the backside tube ride his right hand stays right where he puts it to pop up and he holds the rail for that pigdog style of backside ride.

[oldmansurfer]

Pop up instruction video

[oldmansurfer]

I slipped and fell while popping up recently and got back up and made a steep drop anyway. Only thing was I was too far back on the board and it bounced around a bit and by the time I could stabilize the board and move my foot the ride was over.

[surf patrol]

what do you guy think about that technique ?

[dtc]

what do you guy think about that technique ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka-eHdV3M7o

Interesting.

for a start, my thoughts are that if your pop up works for you consistently, then while there might be a 'better' way in theory, what works is the best for you now.

I tried this style at home (on the floor) and its certainly a pretty easy way to pop up and pretty stable. However, I have some nagging doubts as

- none of the top surfers do it, so its presumably not the 'best' way
- it relies very heavily on using your footpad and there must be real prospects of your foot slipping off the back
- its definitely going to be a slower techique than the standard 'push and swing under' as you have two movements (foot up, then stand). Paddling with your leg bent up like that might be a bit difficult, if you end up needing a few extra paddles (although probably its doable)
- if you are a big guy (say over 80kg), i wonder if the push will put too much weight on the tail

However, its not unknown for longboarders to use essentially this technique, since their toes are on the board anyway.

On the plus side, it does mean your rear foot always is in the right spot after standing.

If you had a big enough footpad to avoid the risk of slipping, then probably its worth a go if you are having problems. Not sure I would change from the 'classic' technique to this, however

[drowningbitbybit]

I used to do a similar kind of pop-up, where my backfoot would be in position first (during the pop) and then I'd swivel around it to get my front foot into position - it worked fine, but my pop-up seems to have evolved to not need it (or maybe it still happens but is just much quicker).

However... I do find that I often land with my backfoot a little way ahead of the tailpad, and its hard to move it as you're going down the face, so I might re-visit this technique to see if I can get rid of some bad habits. I'll let you know how it goes!

[oldmansurfer]

I used to have a real fast popup but now in my old age my cane gets in the way