The Emigration Thread.

[pat42]

Cheezee........you can still get into Oz.

Get yourself to college, get an NVQ /City and Guilds in any construction trade, do a year or two on site here in the UK and save up your pennies.

If you apply before you're 45 you can emigrate........they're crying out for tradesmen!!

The more money you have behind you also helps and being a 'businessman' also helps

This is what I had planned, until I went to Bali last year and saw loads of drunken, aggresive Aussie kids in Kuta tearing up the place...........put me off a bit.

I know you cant judge a whole country on a few kids, but it made me think that all the social problems we have in the UK are also there in Australia.........to a lesser extent.

[CheeZee]

hearing you on the tradesman bit pat' .. im hoping my carpentry papers will still carry enuff weight to help the process. Im keeping it all open cause if my best bud does what hes kinda planning to do (extend his snowboard chalet thang franchise to NZ) .. then i'll just follow him

main thing is i've got a few options and they're all open to change as time rolls on .. so no matter what happens, theres a lil'dream in Oz or NZ should things go that way

What i'd really like is dual citizenship same as my buds got and soon his gf' will have the same for here ..seems a useful way to go

[isaluteyou]

born in south africa moved to uk when i was 7 lived there for 14 years. Went travelling for a year. Moved to san diego 2 years ago. Ya ive been around

SNAP!!!! Apart from the San Diego part. Were in S.A. were you born?

durban lived there for until i was 6 then we moved in with family for a year in PE before we made our journey to the uk

[Laguna]

Good post.. Im fed up of the crap waves in the UK and all the chavs...
I finish my degree next year but im hoping on doing a masters after it for another year.
Then after that I will need to get a job 2-3 years of expirience + money , and then I plan to emigrate to Aus. Should be 24-25. Hope I can do this!

[Hang11]

Sometimes an easier but longer way to get to Oz is to go to NZ for 5 years, get citizenship, and then you can live and work in oz on a kiwi passport. It's a bit cheeky, but a lot of people do it, or move between the 2 countries when they fancy a change.

Saying that, I reckon NZ is much nicer

To get into NZ pretty much just requires a job offer on the skills shortage list, and if you've got a trade or degree and work experience on the skills shortage list, even without a job offer, you're basically in. It's dead easy to do.

If you're married or partnered up to someone who can get in with the above, then you get the visa or residence as a spouse, without needing to satisfy all those requirements.

[Real Pol]

Then after that I will need to get a job 2-3 years of expirience + money , and then I plan to emigrate to Aus. Should be 24-25. Hope I can do this!

Finally, a student who needs to save money after their degree! My flat mate went to africa and oz to get experience working with "animals" when she graduated. She told me she was skint, I bought her drinks through out our final year!

It seems to me that I'm one of the small minority of stundents that actual had debts when they came out of uni.

rant over

[Real Pol]

Starting my new job in a week in the gas/oil/water industry so 3 years experience should get me out there (fingers crossed). All for a better quality of life, even if the wages are lower, and the hours are longer, it's still better living.

Don't want to burst your bubble here (don't know what your new job is), but living in Europes oil capital means that 90% of my friends are chemical/mechanical engineers working in the oil and gas industry and guess what....they're all australian and kiwis. They all want to go home now that they've made 8 billion times more money over here than they would over there. Due to lack of jobs and large numbers of applicants with loads of experience it's not too easy.

What is your new job by the way?

[libby]

If it makes you feel any better Real Pol i'm going to be 16,000 in debt not including credit card and over draft thanks to my undergrad. I'm also going to have to take a year out to save enough money to go onto graduate study

[thaya]

not to make all you students depressed, but, I left uni about 7 years ago and a HUGE chunk of my wages still goes out to pay off debts ...and libby, it could be worse than £16,000, trust me!

Most of my debts will be paid off in 2 more years It's like I can finally see a little speck of light at the end of a very long, dark, tunnel. maybe then I wont have to watch my pennies so much! Loads of people these days start their careers in a lot of debt. it's not much fun but you'll manage to find ways to cut corners. Just keep telling yourself that one day it wont be so bad!

[Hang11]

I feel sorry for you guys - when I went to uni, in the early '90's, student loans had just been introduced, I still got a grant, about 3.5k a year, and didn't have to pay fees. For two years in a row, I got the student loan, and buggered off travelling for 4 months, and the loans were to a maximum of 2k a year, so I came out owing 6k, which wasn't too tough to sort out. Being into surfing and a student was a sweet life! I got kicked out of uni in the end for spending too much time in other countries.

It sucks what happens now.

Not that it makes much difference to all of you, but in NZ, the government just had to make student loans interest free, because the first thing lots of the newly qualified doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers. etc were doing when they finished uni, was to leave for the UK/US/Oz to earn decent enough salaries to pay off their debts. That resulted in massive skills shortages, which was stuffing the economy.

[libby]

Yeh i remember when i was in NZ the elections were being held and alot of emphasis was going on making loans interest free. Originally I was planning on doing my masters out there (when i was still with the kiwi ex) but its waaaay too expensive for me to do one over there as an international student!

Still thinking about applying for some scholarships but they are so competitive i might wait and try and get a PhD out there.

[RJD]

My Kiwi mate got married at Uni here in NZ for some tax break...

Also if you avoid your studen loan long enough you dont have to pay it back at all..

Unfortunatly your not likely to get tuition etc paid here as a resident straight away i dont think.

[libby]

You do actually, well once you have permanent residency then you are eligible for everything a kiwi citizen has in terms of fees. Getting married to a kiwi doesnt actually help anymore though - you still have to go through all the same bull as if you were just trying girlfrien/boyfriend now.

[Jimi]

This is what I had planned, until I went to Bali last year and saw loads of drunken, aggresive Aussie kids in Kuta tearing up the place...........put me off a bit.

I know you cant judge a whole country on a few kids, but it made me think that all the social problems we have in the UK are also there in Australia.........to a lesser extent.

Yeah, you can judge major cities in Oz by a bunch of drunk kids... sadly there are plenty of rednecks out to cause fights, and also plenty of ethnic tensions with middle eastern immigrants. It really sucks, and in most cases it's not the immigrants who are to blame.

[RJD]

You do actually, well once you have permanent residency then you are eligible for everything a kiwi citizen has in terms of fees. Getting married to a kiwi doesnt actually help anymore though - you still have to go through all the same bull as if you were just trying girlfrien/boyfriend now.

He was a Kiwi, married a Kiwi, for some student tax/financial break, wierd heh.

Good thing about the tuition fees, as a new resident your not entitled to any goverment unemployment benefits or anything for 2 years.

[drowningbitbybit]

Laydees and gen'l'men, we'd like to announce some progress.
Off to the australian commission this week to get some more forms and get things moving slightly quicker than the techtonic plate-like movement that has been occurring so far...

[pault]

Don't want to burst your bubble here (don't know what your new job is), but living in Europes oil capital means that 90% of my friends are chemical/mechanical engineers working in the oil and gas industry and guess what....they're all australian and kiwis. They all want to go home now that they've made 8 billion times more money over here than they would over there. Due to lack of jobs and large numbers of applicants with loads of experience it's not too easy.

What is your new job by the way?

Well my starting title is Process / Test Technician, the section of the company i'm working in is the flow / test centre, intially I'll be calibrating equipment, flow meters and such like, then moving onto taking high pressure gas from the mains pumping station, and running tests on gas pipelines under varying scenarios. But things can always change, but that is my initial outine.

[pault]

durban lived there for until i was 6 then we moved in with family for a year in PE before we made our journey to the uk

Ah Durban the surfing capital I was in born in Jo'burg and lived in Krugersdorp, then moved to East London for a couple of years, then my folks came back to the UK

Now hoping to do what you've done, and emigrate a.s.a.p

[Tenaciousgreen]

This is what I had planned, until I went to Bali last year and saw loads of drunken, aggresive Aussie kids in Kuta tearing up the place...........put me off a bit.

I know you cant judge a whole country on a few kids, but it made me think that all the social problems we have in the UK are also there in Australia.........to a lesser extent.

Yeah, you can judge major cities in Oz by a bunch of drunk kids... sadly there are plenty of rednecks out to cause fights, and also plenty of ethnic tensions with middle eastern immigrants. It really sucks, and in most cases it's not the immigrants who are to blame.

Never been east, but here at my local beach break, everyone including some of the youngsters have been welcoming to a 30 something bad surfing Pom.

Cronulla and Sydney are renowned for some of its problems. I've also been to Victoria when I was younger and been to 13th and Bells. I saw a few idiots there but most people I encountered were decent and helpful.

[drowningbitbybit]

everyone including some of the youngsters have been welcoming to a 30 something bad surfing Pom.

Nice to know, as Australia will be getting another one in a bit