Longboarders don't own the waves

[dougirwin13]

Riding a wave that is peaking, but hasn't broken yet isn't hard on a longboard. Once you get the knack.

And some waves start to peak quite a while before they break. Such waves are generally dominated by longboarders.

-doug

[Otter]

I was surfing at La Jolla Shores in San Diego a few months ago and was paddling after a wave that was rolling in behind me. From over to the south, about 20 yards away, this shortboarder is paddling parralell to the beach saying "I GOT IT, MY WAVE!" So I tell HER, OK, ride behind me if you like.
After the wave the chick comes over pissed off as hell and says what the FRICK are you doing? I had the rights to that wave. I said, "'scuse me? I was directly in front of the peak, furthest out and was going for it, you come paddling over from the south, how do you figure it was your wave?" She says the surfer closest to the beach has the right to the wave. I couldn't help but laugh, and she became really enraged. Started telling me I must have just started surfing and should get a book...
This fried my A$$ and I let her know in no uncertain terms that I had been surfing longer than she had been alive (since 1967) and that perhaps she needed to read up a bit or move back to OKLAHOMA.
I knew I had won the argument when she turned to paddle away and shouted "WHATEVER!" The final answer of the person losing an argument.
I've since come to the conclusion that the closest to the beach rule was invented by frustrated shortboarders who want to feel like they have some kind of rights. They do. They have the right to ride a Longboard like I do. Otherwise, take what you can get. I don't ride inside waves, I leave them for shortboarders. 'Nuf said.

[justloafing]

I was surfing at La Jolla Shores in San Diego a few months ago and was paddling after a wave that was rolling in behind me. From over to the south, about 20 yards away, this shortboarder is paddling parralell to the beach saying "I GOT IT, MY WAVE!" So I tell HER, OK, ride behind me if you like.
After the wave the chick comes over pissed off as hell and says what the FRICK are you doing? I had the rights to that wave. I said, "'scuse me? I was directly in front of the peak, furthest out and was going for it, you come paddling over from the south, how do you figure it was your wave?" She says the surfer closest to the beach has the right to the wave. I couldn't help but laugh, and she became really enraged. Started telling me I must have just started surfing and should get a book...
This fried my A$$ and I let her know in no uncertain terms that I had been surfing longer than she had been alive (since 1967) and that perhaps she needed to read up a bit or move back to OKLAHOMA.
I knew I had won the argument when she turned to paddle away and shouted "WHATEVER!" The final answer of the person losing an argument.
I've since come to the conclusion that the closest to the beach rule was invented by frustrated shortboarders who want to feel like they have some kind of rights. They do. They have the right to ride a Longboard like I do. Otherwise, take what you can get. I don't ride inside waves, I leave them for shortboarders. 'Nuf said.

Great story. LMAO.

People just don't understand. Longboarders DO own the waves

[IdRatherBeSurfing]

I don't see how anyone could be up riding the wave when the wave is not breaking.

I'm confused. Where are these longboarders that surf magical non-breaking waves?

Theres a certain member on here who surfs little more than a ripple on a 6ft8 (I think) funboard

[Phil]

Great story. LMAO.

People just don't understand. Longboarders DO own the waves

no we dont, thats the problem to many out there think they do

[Broosta]

Sorry but its always been 'first surfer to stand has priority on that wave', and when two or more stand at the same time then its 'closest to the whitewater has priority'.
Otherwise you'd get people taking off on you when you do a big wrap around cutback claiming they were closer to the whitewater(curl) at the moment they took off - which is obviously bollox so the rule is deffo first one standing takes priority.

thats not what i said, i was talking about taking off at the peak, if your taking off right at the peak its your wave, even if roy stewarts been riding 100 yds out along the shoulder for half a mile before the wave breaks im still gonna go. And in this situation where theres a group of longboarders claiming priority on every wave that comes through then you have to play the rules a little differently, the rules are there to prevent collisions and arguments but also to ensure everyone has a fair crack at getting waves, if some guys are takin th piss and hogging all the waves then sometimes you have to just drop in, its not just black and white.

I still feel that say in a competition that the first one standing has priority in the eyes of the judges, regardless of wether the wave has begun to break yet or not.

I think tho, that if longboarders(or anyone) are being dicks(by taking all the waves) then rules go out the window and its ok to drop in on them - which is what I'd do. But I'd still think that technically I was dropping in on them but I'd sleep just fine never the less !

[Broosta]

its never been the closest to the breaking wave its allways been cloesest to the peak regardless of how close they are to the breaking part of the wave. the thing is though on crowded breaks you just have to take what you can, and hussle for position becuse its the only way to get waves at times

I don't understand .

[justloafing]

Great story. LMAO.

People just don't understand. Longboarders DO own the waves

no we dont, thats the problem to many out there think they do

Phil, that was meant as a joke

[Phil]

its never been the closest to the breaking wave its allways been cloesest to the peak regardless of how close they are to the breaking part of the wave. the thing is though on crowded breaks you just have to take what you can, and hussle for position becuse its the only way to get waves at times

I don't understand .

i think the point i was trying to make was that its never been the person cloeset to the breaking part of the wave, whats it matter though anyway you get short boarders that think its the closest to the breaking part of the wave, longboarders will allways say its the first ones up or closest to the peak regardless of how far out back you are, its all swings and roundabouts really everyone has there own version of priority depending on what board they ride.

i guess if your a good enough surfer your going to get waves regardless so whats it really matter?

[Broosta]

This is doing my nut now, there ARE rules and they ARE written down so its not 'open to personal interpretation'. And its not a 'we'll have to agree to dissagree' situation either, its black and white .

http://www.srosurf.com/rules.html - "DON'T DROP IN: The surfer closest to the breaking part of the wave (the inside or the peak) or the first surfer to their feet has the right of way/priority."

https://surfing-waves.com/basic_rules_surfing.htm - "Priority. Always make sure that you are not taking anyone else's wave. Remember, the surfer who is closest to the breaking wave has priority. If you see someone already on a wave then the wave is taken and you'll have to wait for the next one."

http://www.asudoit.com/kayak_fest/surf_etiquette.html - "# Once a surfer has caught a wave, another surfer may not paddle inside and take-off in a more critical section.
# The point when a surfer can be considered to have caught a wave is when he/she stops paddling, kicking or stroking and continues to move down or along the wave under the force of gravity. "

http://www.surfxtc.com/templates/Basics2.htm#Rs - "1. Wave Ownership: The person closest to the breaking part of the wave has the right of way.

2. Dropping In: Dropping in is taking off on a wave in front of someone who is already up and riding. Don't do this. Ever."

http://www.aroundhawaii.com/leisure/reviews/neal_miyake/2003-10_turosurfing.htm - "Right of way: Furthest out (or waiting longest), Furthest inside (closest to peak), First to feet or on wave, Call: communicate (left or right)"

http://www.leucadiasurfschool.com/Surf_Ettiquette.html - "The surfer who takes off nearest the peak and catches the wave first has the right of way. Once someone is up and riding, do not attempt to catch the wave if it will place you in their path. This is the number one rule in surfing, and breaking this rule is the biggest cause of altercations among surfers in the water."

[Broosta]

its never been the closest to the breaking wave its allways been cloesest to the peak regardless of how close they are to the breaking part of the wave. the thing is though on crowded breaks you just have to take what you can, and hussle for position becuse its the only way to get waves at times

I don't understand .

i think the point i was trying to make was that its never been the person cloeset to the breaking part of the wave, whats it matter though anyway you get short boarders that think its the closest to the breaking part of the wave, longboarders will allways say its the first ones up or closest to the peak regardless of how far out back you are, its all swings and roundabouts really everyone has there own version of priority depending on what board they ride.

i guess if your a good enough surfer your going to get waves regardless so whats it really matter?

Phil I'm still confused! Surely the breaking part of a wave is a peak? I can't see what you mean when you differentuate between the two terms.

[Phil]

sorry for the confusion what i mean is you can clearly see the peak of a wave when its coming through you know where the wave is going to break and peel from

so if i take off from that peak before the wave breaks on my longboard then its my wave but some shortboarders seem to think its closest to it breaking if that makes more sence now?

[Broosta]

OK cool got it now!

I agree with you then.

[dougirwin13]

I knew if I shut up and let you all think through it you'd see it my way.



-doug

[northswell]

This is proper boring now.
Sunday a bloke on a log drove straight past me, i didn't drop in on him cos he was miles in front of me, i had my fun , he stood there no probs.

Dropping in is real shitty where the person knows you have prioroty but still paddles and hopes you duck out cos you don't want to cause a collision, worse than snaking. The intimidation factor, i apologise to anyone i have sworn at during a surf I didn't mean it. Or some stupid (newbie) aint looking or listening to whats going on around them.

No one owns the waves most people have a grasp of the etiquete, just use it sensibly , and be aware of your surrounduings.

[dougirwin13]

I guess the point is arseholes are arseholes, regardless of the pants covering them.

So if someone doesn't know the rules, or drops in, or doesn't share waves, or is otherwise rude it doesn't matter what they ride.

They should all be drowned

-doug