One less jetskier...

[PapaW]

Some good comments comming out here. Now I never said that he deserved it, I just plain don't feel sorry. Why should I.
Call me a xxxxx if you want, other people have R.E. this. At the end of the day this is one of the few things that really gets up my back and it takes things like this to open peoples eyes. For a while at least..

[FishKid Wales]

Fair play to you Pap W even after all the sh1t youve taken on all the other forums youve stuck to your guns,that takes balls!

[PapaW]

Well yeah, like I've said and other people have noticed, I don't get irrate easily this is just one of these things. :roll:

[Dr Rev]

I dont know much about jetski's, but i presume that you could go into a shop, buy one and then take it onto the water with no training at all ?

Is this true ?

[kitesurfer]

Personally i think your harsh use of language (nobber, idiot, dickhead)with regards to this dead person and the berieved family he has no doubt left behind has made you sound like a bit of an idiot.
I personally am not fond of jetskiers but i also see no need to shout down a dead person even if they were acting irresponsibly.
If i'd felt as strongly about it as you obviously do then yes i would have experessed an opinion but certainly not in a way that would have lost me respect.
Also i ask you have you expressed the same views on any jetski forums, where perhaps they would be in need of your advice. If you have then please post up the link as i'd love to read it!

KS

[cj]

I don't know, I surf with jet skiers jumping waves next to me all the time. Doesn't bother me, I kind of enjoy watching them sometimes. A few weeks ago I spent 7 hours in the water, and when I came out there were still guys out there surfing, and there were guys jumping waves with jet ski's right next to them, well into dusk. It was cool, no one else got mad about the jet skiers, they know that we have priority on every wave (I think all Jet Skiers know that, or realize it the first time they ride out with surfers) I have never seen a jet skier run someone over, we have guys that come out with Kayaks too and ride the waves, we all get along just fine.

I think that talking about someone you don't know to people that don't know him, or someone that is dead, or just talking about someone behind thier back, it is a little bit of a bitch-boy thing to do. If you had enough of a problem with this guy to call him a dickhead on this forum after he died, then you should have showed up in the parking lot when he was loading his jet ski and kicked his ass, but if you are just calling him names because he is a Jet Skier and not a Surfer, than your being kind of a poser bro. Sorry.

[surfishlife]

i'm with cj on this one. saying that you don't feel sorry about the accident and that he had it coming does nothing more than reflect the very nature i think surfers shouldn't be carrying, and that is exclusivity. ocean is meant to be shared- similarly, i understand the feeling if you had kooks surfing in your local break and who clearly couldn't handle it, but that should be for the sake of their safety, just like the jetskier. otherwise, you could be doing more by enforcing better regulations.

[GowerCharger]

I don't know, I surf with jet skiers jumping waves next to me all the time. Doesn't bother me, I kind of enjoy watching them sometimes. A few weeks ago I spent 7 hours in the water, and when I came out there were still guys out there surfing, and there were guys jumping waves with jet ski's right next to them,

id like to see someone try that at my local break, pretty sure he wouldnt be jetskiing for a while afterwards...

[PapaW]

Your all still mistaking my post. I never singled out this person simply I don't feel sorry for the situation. As for the rest is more of a general thing. It has been an ongoing problem in the area since before I even came here.
The biggest problem is that On anglesey just up the coast you don't need a regestration/licence to ride skis there, as a result there is this spill over down the coast and you get the people who don't have a clue "idiots!" going out in far more dangerious area. when your in the water already you can't call the beach/coast guard that opporates from abersoch. And if they don't have a lience then you can't repost them. Vicious circle.

[kitesurfer]

And your missing my point.
As you have such a strong view on this subject why are you posting on a surfing forum and not a jetski forum? I can't imagine there are that many on here that jetski.
The fact that you have posted on here coupled with the title of this thread
"one less jetskier..." suggests that you are not mearly sorry about the incident but are happy about the fact that there is one less jetskier to worry about and that posting on here you may find some that agree with you.
So papa it's not only your choice of words but the whole context and tone of the thread and it's title that i think makes you sound well i know what i think it makes you sound like.
Also again the title immediately singles out this one jetskier and the incident to those people who do know the jetskier so you may believe that you haven't singled him out but you have.

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

lets put him on trial then run him out of town. OUT OF TOWN!

HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

back to scotland with you, barbarian. you cant live with us civilized type anymore.

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[PapaW]

I see what you mean now. Well initially it was a moan but now i'm glad this and the otehrs have turned into a really good debate on jetsking in general and I'm hoping that at least it will rase awearness within the surfing community that its not acceptable and against the law for them to come in within 100m of the low tide mark at more than a wakeless speed.

At the end of the day posting it on ski forums might have a little effect but its unlikly because its not the profesionals that are the problem. its the weekeners and part timers that have one just to use and they are unlikly to be using specific forums.

As for the title, I see what you mean there but its not the case, generaliseation no more. but I do want to quote this from one of the other forums RE why should we care...

There is a difference between being a professional mourner and feeling a bit shitty that somebody died needlessly and before his time. The debacle of what happened when Princess Di died was a bloody joke. People who have never met her standing in the streets crying their eyes out. Ridiculous. Expressing regret at a tragic death is hardly the same is it?

The other issue and one that really is quite seperate from this incident is about jetskiers tear-arsing about too close to surfers and swimmers. This is totally unacceptable and should be stopped :evil:

has a good point...[/quote]

[GowerCharger]

yep, its hard to say something good came out of a fatal accident, but surely it would be worse still if it was a swimmer/surfer who was killed by the jetskier? im assuming the guy on the jetski realised the danger of riding one (which isnt neccessarily true), for example if i take my car to a track day and wrap it up and die, then it was my fault and i knew the risk, but if i decide to race down the road and mow down some pedestrians then i wouldnt expect much sympathy.

[PapaW]

This has been the best topic so far on this forum in my opinion.

Its really brought out some serious talk and opinion. Good stuff people :)

[libby]

Really. I think there has been much more intense and intellectual debate than this.

[CheeZee]

" and the voice of reason shall be heard " ..

If we all were having a conversation in person and Papa had made those comments as part of that' conversation then they would be lost after his point was made ..it is only that the words are here to read and read again that his comments carry any longevity and or weight ..

We would all possibly change our minds on the harshness of his comments if we suddenly found out that the guy in question was a violent man who misstreated other humans then maybe his family are sighing from relief .. equally he could have been a saint that cherished life and made a mistake and they are now heart broken ..

" If papa & all had known the guy and then made those comments and we had basis to say that they were harsh words then that would be correct .. but we did not know the guy and therefore to throw a general Hard not harsh comment of .. " one less jet-skier " ..in my opinion is a fair comment to make .

And if we all believe in Karma or the natural pulse of life .. then maybe you should consider the possibility that... " mother nature thought he was an a**hole and in her ultimate wisdom removed him for that very reason .

Each to their own peeps , each to their own

[PapaW]

W00p w00p :p


oh and a good convo doesn't have to be intellectual in my opinion :p

[surfishlife]

Well said, CheeZee. Opinion is not intended to be criticized per se, more like shared with, communicated, and understood. and almost everyone, including myself, has thrown in their two cents about papa's comment...but another question is, would papa think twice about his opinion on this matter? if he did not, and likewise everyone on the planet divided themself from one another because of their opinions, how would we ever have a functional society? that doesn't mean we have to share the same opinion, but i feel like there must be room for common ground in order for anything to get better.

[CheeZee]

.. i was just doing my job maaam "

all were right to consider others feelings , i could appreciate exactly what everyone was saying but i could also see papa up in a corner he didnt mean to put himself in

" Papa .. check that six shooter bro .. i think you accidentely let off a shot in a crowded place , maybe keep it in its holster for safety

[PapaW]

Gotta ruffle some feathers some times. :roll: