CAN YOU DUCK DIVE A 7'0 FUNBOARD?

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Postby drowningbitbybit » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:15 am

Scott Sucks wrote:That's great progress... floaters!?!?!
I'm learning too and I have a 7'6 funboard, how hard was it to do floaters with a funboard? That's awesome... well done!



Allow me to express the teensiest little dollop of doubt about a newbie being able to do floaters on a funboard on a kneehigh wave :roll: :wink:

...Across the clean face, up over the lip, across a breaking section (preferably sliding the board thrugh 90 degrees as you do it), keep enough momentum to go back over the lip and down the face, carry on along the green face...


Like this...

http://www.surfingvancouverisland.com/s ... oaters.htm

I kinda doubt anyone, let alone a newbie, could generate that kind of speed on a funboard on a small wave :shock:


But, hey, enthusiasm is what its all about
:D :wink:
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Postby baldie » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:30 pm

Don't worry, I'm sure you can duck dive a 7'0 fun board. I weight 120 lb and I duck dive my 7'0 all the time. You need to lean a little forward and push it down pretty hard as your foot push down the tail of the board.
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Postby SurferFreak15 » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:02 pm

I have an 8ft funboard Cand I duck dive that. I way 170lbs.
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Postby Surfergirl15 » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:01 pm

Scott Sucks wrote:How long have you been surfing for? That's great progress... floaters!?!?!
I'm learning too and I have a 7'6 funboard, how hard was it to do floaters with a funboard? That's awesome... well done!


Thanks! I just had my second lesson, but I've been out 3 times so far. My instructor was GREAT at teaching me!. I still dont think I'm that good though. It wasnt that hard to pull off a floater. In fact I did it by accident when I was riding too far up on a wave, then the wave broke and I rode across the whitewater to the unbroken part of the wave. You have to have a bit of speed though, because when I tried to do another floater while going pretty slow, the whitewater just ate me :lol:

Plus keep in kind I'm not talking about long floaters, I'm talking about like 2 or 3 feet long on a 8' longboard (conditions were too small for my board):wink:
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Postby Surfergirl15 » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:05 pm

SurferFreak15 wrote:I have an 8ft funboard Cand I duck dive that. I way 170lbs.


Hmm not sure, maybe. Depends on the conditions too. I TRIED to duck a 8 foot longboard once and it IS impossible for me to pull it off. :cry:
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Postby baldie » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:47 am

I have hard time duck diving today with 5 foot waves (Hawaiian Scale). I don't know if I did't get my board deep enough into the water or what... I always got wash back and rolled. It was really bad. It is hard to duck dive when you see a big chuck of white water rushing into you.
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Postby Surfergirl15 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:21 am

baldie wrote:I have hard time duck diving today with 5 foot waves (Hawaiian Scale). I don't know if I did't get my board deep enough into the water or what... I always got wash back and rolled. It was really bad. It is hard to duck dive when you see a big chuck of white water rushing into you.

Yes it is hard :oops: Its hard for me to duck dive in 3-4 foot ( regular scale) waves, I cant imagine 5 foot waves (Hawaiian scale) :shock:
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Postby Driftingalong » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:14 pm

baldie wrote:5 foot waves (Hawaiian Scale)


What is that, a couple feet overhead?
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Postby Surfergirl15 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:36 pm

Driftingalong wrote:
baldie wrote:5 foot waves (Hawaiian Scale)


What is that, a couple feet overhead?


Yeah, thats why I cant imagine being in those conditions... :shock:
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Postby Driftingalong » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:55 pm

baldie:
Maybe I'm outta line here, but...
Should you really be surfing that, when you're asking about how to turn and pop-up/not pearl? And thinking about surfing Pipe and big-wave surfing?!?!
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Postby baldie » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:32 am

Yes, I have been going out to the NorthShore and surf the waves from 3 foot up to 6 foot (hawaiian scale). It was fun but tiring. I only pearl in waves bigger than 4 foot. I can turn much better now. I tend to be able to turn better in bigger waves. For me the most scary part is pearl and get nail by a big wave, you will be held under water for a super long time. Almost drowned. I will not go for anything bigger and I try to stay away from Pipe and sunset for now. I konw, people say I'm crazy.
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Postby Driftingalong » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:36 pm

Hey, that's cool. It sounds like you're coming along pretty well; keep it up!
I've also thought that is does seem easier on the bigger waves. I guess it helps when the waves doing most of the work for you (not having to generate your own speed)!
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Postby baldie » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:45 pm

It seemed easier on bigger waves in turning because the waves had more power. less paddling. I couldn't seem to turn on smaller waves. Everytime I tried, the waves just went pass me and I lost it.

As for duck diving, It is definitely harder for bigger waves.
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Postby Surfergirl15 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:30 am

Driftingalong wrote:baldie:
Maybe I'm outta line here, but...
Should you really be surfing that, when you're asking about how to turn and pop-up/not pearl? And thinking about surfing Pipe and big-wave surfing?!?!


I was thinking the same. Pearling at Pipe sounds like suicide :|
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Postby baldie » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:07 pm

Surfergirl15 wrote:
Pearling at Pipe sounds like suicide :|


I think the water is too shallow to duck dive.. If you push the nose of the board as deep as you can, it probably will hit the bottom reefs.
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Postby Mojo Jojo » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:49 pm

I think it's easier to duck dive a large face than it is to duck dive a whitewater avalanche. Easier to penetrate the water and hold on.

Anything under 3 ft barely requires duck diving at all, especially if you're on a board larger than 7 ft.

I'm 5'8", 160lb and regularly duck dive a 7'4 and 6'9 funboard. It is hard and on days I anticipate a lot of duckdiving I switch to my 6'6 thruster. A few tips that helped me out.

1. Time your duckdive. Don't sit there waiting for the wave to hit you, it'll wash you in and you've got to make up that ground you just lost. Nothing worse than burning out in the impact zone and having to take the walk of shame back up the beach. When you see a wave coming, start paddling toward it immediatedly. The momentum you build up translates into easier penetration. When I played football I learned something about getting hit. If you are standing still and another player is flying full speed into you, you absorb all the impact. You'll end up with the wind knocked out of you and when the stars clear, picking the grass out of your teeth. If you charge full speed into the impending collision, you actually divide the impact and as a result, often stay on your feet and end up with less injuries. Also, like football, hit it low. Take em out at the knees. Duck dive a split second before your hit by hitting the wave low. When you've decided you must duckdive a wave, charge it.

2. Use good form. Sink your nose too deep with your tail sticking out, the whitewash will just push you back by the exposed tail. When your momentum is up grab your rails right about the spot your shoulders line up. Do a push up so the only contact with your board is your hands on the rails and your toes on the tail. If your board is short, it's okay to have your butt pointed in the air. From here you begin your penetration into the water. I do this by pushing the nose down with my shortboard or pushing one rail then the other repeatedly with my funboard. Put your whole body weight into this "digging" operation my lifting one of your legs into a scorpion like counter balancing motion. The higher you lift this scorpion leg, the deeper your penetration will be. Once you've penetrated the water, flatten out close to the board and prepare to shoot out the back of the wave. There's a good animation of proper duck dive form at the 808 Surfer website: http://www.808surfer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=246

The beach break where I surf, theres not much time to catch your breath before you have to do another duck dive, so once you've breached the surface, start paddling up to momentum again. We've all been in surf where we had to duck dive 15 times in a row, look back at the beach and realize we haven't made any progress. If you are in that situation, it's best to go back to the beach and reassess where you should paddle out. Look for a rip. If you find a good one, you can make it out to the lineup with dry hair.
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Postby dougirwin13 » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:25 pm

I can duckdive my 9'6" so yeah you can.

As said timing and form are everything... So it comes down to practice (surprise!).

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Postby Bad Beat Maker » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:16 pm

Mojo Jojo wrote:I think it's easier to duck dive a large face than it is to duck dive a whitewater avalanche. Easier to penetrate the water and hold on.

Anything under 3 ft barely requires duck diving at all, especially if you're on a board larger than 7 ft.

I'm 5'8", 160lb and regularly duck dive a 7'4 and 6'9 funboard. It is hard and on days I anticipate a lot of duckdiving I switch to my 6'6 thruster. A few tips that helped me out.

1. Time your duckdive. Don't sit there waiting for the wave to hit you, it'll wash you in and you've got to make up that ground you just lost. Nothing worse than burning out in the impact zone and having to take the walk of shame back up the beach. When you see a wave coming, start paddling toward it immediatedly. The momentum you build up translates into easier penetration. When I played football I learned something about getting hit. If you are standing still and another player is flying full speed into you, you absorb all the impact. You'll end up with the wind knocked out of you and when the stars clear, picking the grass out of your teeth. If you charge full speed into the impending collision, you actually divide the impact and as a result, often stay on your feet and end up with less injuries. Also, like football, hit it low. Take em out at the knees. Duck dive a split second before your hit by hitting the wave low. When you've decided you must duckdive a wave, charge it.

2. Use good form. Sink your nose too deep with your tail sticking out, the whitewash will just push you back by the exposed tail. When your momentum is up grab your rails right about the spot your shoulders line up. Do a push up so the only contact with your board is your hands on the rails and your toes on the tail. If your board is short, it's okay to have your butt pointed in the air. From here you begin your penetration into the water. I do this by pushing the nose down with my shortboard or pushing one rail then the other repeatedly with my funboard. Put your whole body weight into this "digging" operation my lifting one of your legs into a scorpion like counter balancing motion. The higher you lift this scorpion leg, the deeper your penetration will be. Once you've penetrated the water, flatten out close to the board and prepare to shoot out the back of the wave. There's a good animation of proper duck dive form at the 808 Surfer website: http://www.808surfer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=246

The beach break where I surf, theres not much time to catch your breath before you have to do another duck dive, so once you've breached the surface, start paddling up to momentum again. We've all been in surf where we had to duck dive 15 times in a row, look back at the beach and realize we haven't made any progress. If you are in that situation, it's best to go back to the beach and reassess where you should paddle out. Look for a rip. If you find a good one, you can make it out to the lineup with dry hair.


Okay. Know this guy probably doesn't frequent here anymore, but I just found it wierd his statement about dividing the impact. What he's basically saying is that its better to add force to an impact than just take the lesser of the two? This is like saying, if a car is about to hit you head on, be sure to speed up into it, it will divide the force of the impact. This isnt true is it? I was under the impression a 25mph car hitting a 25mph car head on will equal an impact of 50mph. That is why more people die in moving head ons than someone getting hit head on in a still car.
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Postby rich r » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:14 pm

I find it hard to believe anyone duckdiving a 9-6, doug. Unless they're over 7 foot and 220 lbs.

Let's all make sure we understand what duck diving is. It isn't just driving through the face of the wave by knifing through it.

A duck dive is driving the nose of the board under water, and forcing a dive, completely submerging the board, driving forward with the body and board completely under water, under the whitewash foam, diving through the current, and then pointing the nose up, and using the natural bouyancy to pop back up out of the water.

If you're 116 lbs and 5'7", I highly doubt you'd be able to dive anything over a proper 6-8 shortboard which isn't going to be anywhere near 3 inches thick to begin with.

Mojo - the shorter the board, the more diving you'll probably do, especially in the whitewater, regardless of the wave size (unless we get down to knee-high).

A proper duck dive doesn't go through the face, but happens at the rising section of the trough before the face. Same with diving before the whitewater.

Eskimo rolls follow the same principle.. rolling before the force hits, letting it roll over you, and submerging beneath it.

Mojo has one thing right, though - it's easier to dive or eskimo when you have a full head of forward motion going.
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Postby jethrodog » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:56 pm

Rightly said Rich R

Also remember that timing is extremely important. If you start too late, ducking or turtling, you don't avoid the force, it catches you, kills your progress and you end up 20 feet backwards with water up the nose. I learned that lesson the hard way, all day.... I don't learn quick :wink:
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