Surf lessons or not?

[Big H]

.............and those photos are not doctored or anomalies.....I duck dived a wave the other day that was like the one the woman is paddling into and came up with garbage all over me. Absolutely disgusting.

[dtc]

Yeah, waste disposal is one of those things that westerners just take for granted, but as plastics and bottles etc infiltrate the poorer countries, it’s a massive issue. And plastics in the ocean is not just a problem for those countries, obviously plastics go everywhere

https://qz.com/1004589/80-of-plastic-in ... nup-found/

[Tudeo]

Another facebook posting:

THIS IS WHERE IT COMES FROM! They have to stop the dumping of rubbish up near Ubud into the rivers and waterways. Once the Wet Season starts, the rain just washes it all the way through the rice fields, through the Villages and out to sea....

River in paradise

[Big H]

I have a routine now after morning sessions; I keep bottles of water in my car and immediately after finishing I soap and wash off head to toe, then rinse my mouth out with mouthwash and then swab out my ears and nose with 50-50 alcohol/white vinegar solution. Haven't gotten sick yet......

[RinkyDink]

One of the major environmental problems in Bali is waste disposal.

One way to measure how corrupt, incompetent, or reckless your government is, is to follow how it addresses problems that threaten its vital interests. Tourism is vital to Bali, but if the government can't figure out a way to keep its beaches pristine . . . uh, minimally clean, then their golden goose will likely fly away. You have to wonder sometimes what the consumption habits of the elite (oligarchs, corporate managements, dictators, sheikhs . . . ) are like to enthrall them to the extent to which they're so self-absorbed that they can't recognize the pile of crap in front of their face. Look to US elites for an example of how bad it can get.

[Tudeo]

A very clear graph shows where the problem comes from (from the dtc article link):

Zooming in to Asia:

https://qz.com/1004589/80-of-plastic-in-the-ocean-can-be-traced-back-to-asias-rivers-led-by-china-indonesia-myanmar-a-study-by-netherland-based-the-ocean-cleanup-found/

Research done by the Dutch, so it must be true..

[RinkyDink]

A very clear graph shows where the problem comes from (from the dtc article link):
Research done by the Dutch, so it must be true..

Those are all very interesting graphs, but they're misleading. They imply that the global debris problem is caused by humans. That's laughable. The debris washing up on shores around the world is just part of a natural cycle that has been occurring for millennia. Look at the historical pattern of debris flows over time and it becomes obvious that debris in the ocean is simply a natural occurrence.

Hurricanes and storms are naturally destructive events that produce enormous amounts of debris. Is some of the debris like plastic produced by human activity? Of course. Still, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Humans need plastic to grow their economies. The main problem here is not that humans are contributing to the detritus found in our seas, but that naturally occurring storms are currently in a cycle where they are exhibiting more destructive behavior. Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the more destructive the weather is the more debris will be produced. We have seen some incredibly powerful storms in the past three years so it's no surprise that debris levels increased. Nevertheless, there is no need to legislate or do anything about it because this is all just part of the cycle of nature.



When you see pictures like this, remember that what you're witnessing are the effects of a natural cycle that, unfortunately, produces debris. Nothing we can do about changing that. Move along nothing to see here.

[Tudeo]

Those are all very interesting graphs, but they're misleading. They imply that the global debris problem is caused by humans. That's laughable. The debris washing up on shores around the world is just part of a natural cycle that has been occurring for millennia.... ....When you see pictures like this, remember that what you're witnessing are the effects of a natural cycle that, unfortunately, produces debris. Nothing we can do about changing that. Move along nothing to see here.

Ha ha ha, ur so full of debris!

This is about plastic garbage, or.. erhm.. surf lessons..

[Oldie]

A very clear graph shows where the problem comes from (from the dtc article link):
Research done by the Dutch, so it must be true..

Those are all very interesting graphs, but they're misleading. They imply that the global debris problem is caused by humans. That's laughable. The debris washing up on shores around the world is just part of a natural cycle that has been occurring for millennia. Look at the historical pattern of debris flows over time and it becomes obvious that debris in the ocean is simply a natural occurrence.

Wow. Your President will love your statement. Seems there is indeed a target group to forbid words like "evidence based". What you say is not based on evidence at all.

[jaffa1949]

Oh Rinky.......... the cycles are natural phenomena, the debris is not, take Indonesia, the banana leaf cycle, postfood waste was banana leaves.
Throw it in a dry season stream bed, wet season the composted waste is washed too sea.
Take the plastic manufacturers, they replaced natural fibres with plastic destroyed The jute, sisal, flax hemp and other fibres local industries.
The last time the plastic was a plant product was in the Carboniferous or in the Southern Hemisphere the Permian.
The creeks flow plastic in the wet season.

The problem is not the cycle but the man made overlaid debris and the production pollution.
There is no way yet a conventional surfer can waves clean planet credentials. Oops sorry in finned body surfers only, if they are naked.

Rinky see Bali and weep for sadness of the plastic bottle and wrapper

Having read your post further, I invite you to think on just accepting the problem and not working on solutions , just saying that’s the way it is, is not enough.
Please read the one straw revolution.

[RinkyDink]

Having read your post further, I invite you to think on just accepting the problem and not working on solutions , just saying that’s the way it is, is not enough.
Please read the one straw revolution.

Thanks Jaffa. I was being facetious with my post. I'm well aware of the problem with plastic, but I'm sure some corporate marketeer will come along and convince the majority that there is no better vessel for baby food than a plastic jar. So it goes.

[Tudeo]

I was being facetious with my post.

Facetious wipeout

[jaffa1949]

Hmmmm , you nailed that Rinky! Great reply, interesting we could use that clip for, intelligence, ethnicity, religious minority who are breeding to become majorities etc. Kooks in the surf and more.
Definitely anti eugenics
I guess until it becomes economically and corporately viable to mine plastic , it just becomes debris!

Sometimes irony gets lost on those who need it!

[dtc]

I got it rinky! Perhaps I’m unfortunately too familiar with the climate change denialist arguments that your post is satirising. Thought it was a funny post

[RinkyDink]

Hmmmm , you nailed that Rinky! Great reply, interesting we could use that clip for, intelligence, ethnicity, religious minority who are breeding to become majorities etc. Kooks in the surf and more.
Definitely anti eugenics
I guess until it becomes economically and corporately viable to mine plastic , it just becomes debris!

Sometimes irony gets lost on those who need it!

I actually didn't mean to use that clip because it's offensive and dumb, but my power went out for pretty much the entire day right after I submitted the post. Anyway, that clip was meant to be a reflection of the Trump administration and all of its shenanigans and not anybody here. I just didn't get the time to revise my post and remove the clip. Anyway, I didn't mean to offend anybody.

[RinkyDink]

I got it rinky! Perhaps I’m unfortunately too familiar with the climate change denialist arguments that your post is satirising. Thought it was a funny post

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. The problem with global warming, as you know, is that you can't see greenhouse gases whereas it's pretty easy to recognize garbage for what it is, regardless of any deceiving word games, and connect it to human activity.

Here's a good story about the plastic plaguing our oceans.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/cnn10/ten ... index.html

[RinkyDink]

This thread got me wondering about how easy it is to observe and experience the pollution of the oceans, but not so much with our skies. Those two spheres aren't that different with regard to their importance to the earth.


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/159214/view