New Longboard....

[Tudeo]

Was it the difference in volume maybe? The Jimmy Lewis was a bit bigger wasn't it?

[Big H]

Might have contributed, it really felt like a pig in the water. Jimmy Lewis only has 67L but is much quicker off the mark and easier to paddle.

[oldmansurfer]

I think with a board with less rocker you need to be more exactly in the right position when paddling to get the most efficient paddling. One way to conceptualize this is to take both boards and look from the nose to the tail. This is the profile that has to get pushed through the water. If you tilt the rockered board a little up from that position the profile changes very little especially if you figure the nose will come out of the water and won't be pushing water, but if you change the flat board it rapidly gets a bigger profile which will make it harder to paddle.

[RinkyDink]

Did you try noseriding the greenie? It's seems like it has a shape suited for noseriding more than top-to-bottom performance surfing, but I'm not an expert.

[Big H]

Did you try noseriding the greenie? It's seems like it has a shape suited for noseriding more than top-to-bottom performance surfing, but I'm not an expert.

I did....hung 5 a few times.....nothing special compared to the other board....I did try different paddling positions for both flat paddling and for getting in....found the sweet spot for both; problem is that board would be used in the afternoon where there is a bit of chop; it was so flat that if I was in the optimum position I was pushing water because of the chop, and if I was in the optimum position getting in it was ALOT more work in terms of positioning like OMS said and keeping the nose up because pretty much all the breaks I go to, even at high tide, jack up considerably....the board wasn't helping that's for sure - the more rockered board gives me more leeway in takeoff positioning and I can paddle & push hard while on the sweet spot and not worry at all about the nose, even in steep jacking waves (hollow and 1.5OH two days ago, a head above head high yesterday).

You saw the size difference.....I think I need to get a considerably larger board with a square tail and wide nose at my weight to get the benefits I was looking for on the uncommon days when the conditions suit (easy paddle, getting in earlier, easier nose riding) and stick to the longboard I have for the usual conditions here.

Grass is always greener right? I was in the lineup yesterday and after paddling back from a particularly big wave I got the admiring comment from the guy next to me "that's a Jimmy Lewis.....nice!"

He's right!

[Tudeo]

Did these boards use nose concave? I read this interesting info,

Prolific surfboard shaper and world renowned surfer Bob Mctavish:

You can use nose concaves in almost every kind of surfboard. Not for noseriding like on longboards but to help you catch waves. It also allows you to reduce thickness. I take out a few ounces of foam and stringer with it. People keep coming back over and over again telling me how easy it is for them to catch waves. Even if it’s a little board, a 5’8, you can put your head down in the front when you are paddling and the board still planes. As the boards get bigger there is even less chance of them nose diving. When the nose dips under it’s easy to plane out. When it’s heavy and you’re pulling into waves and the nose plains up instead of diving under, and there’s no water flow coming across the deck and hitting you… that’s when you appreciate nose concave.

http://surfsimply.com/interviews/surf-simply-interviews-bob-mctavish/

[Big H]

Maybe the Jimmy Lewis is designed like this, or at least more so in comparison to the Chilli, and it's not just the rocker that makes taking steeper, later drops so much easier....

Interesting read....in lieu of theoretical understanding I just try different boards....would like to know what makes the one I have special.....I had a 9'3" from RedZ I got secondhand as my first board; that board was PU, heavier than my purple board but was wider, thicker all the way to the rail, had less rocker and obvious nose concave....that board paddled like a rescue board...so fast. I am pretty sure it had been snapped because it was repainted and heavy, but was good for learning. Maybe I'll try another RedZ board if I see one around that hasn't been snapped or waterlogged and see if that works better for what I was looking for in a second longboard.

[Big H]

For what it's worth, I sold it to a beginner here for a couple of months of surfing....he texted me the day after buying the board so stoked; said it was perfect and exactly what he wanted/needed. I set it up as a single fin with an 8" fin with a wider base, pulled the fin back 2/3 of the way in the box and for crumbly onshore inside Batu Bolong I guess it is perfect.

[RinkyDink]

Grass is always greener right? I was in the lineup yesterday and after paddling back from a particularly big wave I got the admiring comment from the guy next to me "that's a Jimmy Lewis.....nice!"

He's right!

I hear you. Paddling on one of my boards felt like paddling across maple syrup. My Aipa board is a dream for paddling. Still, my paddling strength has been improving a lot so I might take the old board again some day just to see if it was the board or me.

[dtc]

Did these boards use nose concave? I read this interesting info,

Prolific surfboard shaper and world renowned surfer Bob Mctavish....:

You mean like this... my 7ft4 (Ive tried to nose ride for fun but never succeeded; but thats probably 90% me and 10% that the board is a bit small for my weight). I do feel the concave slows the board down a bit - it doesnt really 'glide' - but it is easy to catch waves and its a nice clean ride once you are up

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[jaffa1949]

A 7'4" with that nose concave would be the paddle equivalent of a 6 ft board and really a nose concave like that is extreme!

Then that sort of meat taken from the nose also means if you are over weighted and sink the nose down , you release the tail engagement - no nose ride

[dtc]

There is a nose ride - nose over a#% when the tail releases!

It's actually a good paddler - flat rocker and nice and thick (2 7/8).

[tradiprone]

Hi Big H and fellow peers

I've had an issue similar to yours, wanting to have a board which will catch the wave earlier and glide longer than my heavy rockered, multiple concave Walden Magic 10' (96L).
At my local spot, sometimes the wind chop combine with a quickly steepening wave, to result either in aborted attempts to avoid late drops face first on the reef, or frantic paddles from way behind to see the wave laugh its way under me.
Also, i wanted longer glides on the tiny wavelets on the inside, so that i can access the channel and not return to the lineup against the frothy mess.
I borrowed a flatter rockered BIC Noserider 10' (90L), which has a rolled bottom and a bit less volume. Maybe because of the lower volume of the BIC, my early wave catching intentions never came to reality, even though both boards are exact same length, width and thickness.
But the glide, it happened. The rolled bottom BIC came out from the tiny wavelets of the inside further into the channel than the Walden ever did.
Just musing
Be well

[Big H]

So another board came up on the used sale pafe and I took a chance.....less than what I sold the chili greenie for....100% balsa handshaped by local company headed by a Frenchman....love at first glide! Less rocker and more volume like I wanted...this board paddles lime a dream and I had it out in 1.5OH today and was a wave sponge...getting in early on outside bombies, had several epic waves including one with a cover up.....limited on one hand due to the flatter rocker, but the ease of paddle compensates and allows for earlier entries....rounded pin felt secure in the hollow conditions....and it looks awesome! Good times; found what I was looking for.

[Big H]

Rocker pic....btw the board is 9'2" x 23" x 3"....changed the fin ro a 9" greenough 4-a which worked well.

[Big H]

Another angle....love the glide in this board.....really fast too.

[Oldie]

That is a real beauty, I can understand you are happy

The rocker looks very low indeed.

[Big H]

There is a good amount of nose concave....as flat rockered as it is I didn't have any issue with nose diving, fighting to keep the nose up either on take off or particularly once underway, even on a steep wall with relatively aggressive top to bottom surfing. Stoked....really nice board!

[Big H]

When it comes to boards, I'm not particularly aesthetically motivated....however, this new board is so nice to look at I'm looking for a wall rack to hang it up in the house somewhere......I also ordered a fin for it - my favourite greenough 4-a template, a hand foiled fibreglass beauty...he made it for me (see below)......now the trick is how to find his nephew who he is going to send the fin to here in Bali from his workshop in Java.....unexpected adventures!

[Big H]

Hi Big H and fellow peers

I've had an issue similar to yours, wanting to have a board which will catch the wave earlier and glide longer than my heavy rockered, multiple concave Walden Magic 10' (96L).
At my local spot, sometimes the wind chop combine with a quickly steepening wave, to result either in aborted attempts to avoid late drops face first on the reef, or frantic paddles from way behind to see the wave laugh its way under me.
Also, i wanted longer glides on the tiny wavelets on the inside, so that i can access the channel and not return to the lineup against the frothy mess.
I borrowed a flatter rockered BIC Noserider 10' (90L), which has a rolled bottom and a bit less volume. Maybe because of the lower volume of the BIC, my early wave catching intentions never came to reality, even though both boards are exact same length, width and thickness.
But the glide, it happened. The rolled bottom BIC came out from the tiny wavelets of the inside further into the channel than the Walden ever did.
Just musing
Be well

Saw this posted on Facebook in an enthusiast's group.....massive board, thought about this post....should have a little more glide than that tiny 10' Walden!