From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

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From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby icetime » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:02 pm

Hey guys, I've been surfing for 2 months now, I'd like to share my knowledge of how I got started and what not to do.
I'm not going to teach you basic techniques that you can read on the forum like turtle rolling and catching waves, just what I know isn't that common around the net to be read.

Random stuff:
[*]Don't surf alone when starting out or when waves are large.
[*]Paddle with your head raised as if you had a ball under your chin, you don't want to rest your head and chest when paddling, you use your shoulder muscles instead of your whole back, you're going to get tired very quickly and have sore muscles the next day.
[*]Never turn your back to the waves.
[*]Never turn your board side ways towards the waves, it'll get flung at you and you'll end up with a blue eye or something.
[*]Give respect to get respect, be nice with other surfers, you don't want any enemies at a lineup, some people will run your over with their fins, key your car, wax your windows, you name it, depends where you live.
[*]Make friends, surfing isn't just for you, it's a community, talk to people at the lineup, get to know everyone at your beach, make some friends, it's great to have a buddy to surf with and have your back incase you get in a sticky situation.
[*]Don't wear neon green or bright pink wetsuits if you don't have the skills to back it up, don't wear flashy clothing if you don't want to be seen.
[*]If you can't swim back to shore without your board, don't even go in, some day it will come, the day your board or leash breaks, you'll have to rely on yourself then.
[*]Don't let go of your board and swim under a wave if someone is behind you, you could badly injure them or ding their board, it's not worth the risk, flip the board over and hold the rails.

Take your time:
It took me 5 sessions to get a hang of my popup and start standing on the board, 3 sessions later I was able to carve and trim.

Stages:
Start out in the white water on a foamie, it's a good way to work on your balance and popup.
Once you got a hang of standing up and your balance, work on your stance, keep your knees bent, avoid the poostance, don't bend over, bend your knees, your upper body must stay straight
Continue advancing in the white water until you feel your stance is flawless and you can catch every single wave without falling off.
Now you can consider going to the unbroken waves.

Surf as often as possible:
If you want to be able to catch unbroken waves, you'll need endurance, you'll need to paddle your butt off for hours at a time, go surfing 4 times a week if possible, even if conditions suck, go out anyways to paddle around, it's a good workout, you'll build the upper body strength needed for surfing.

Learn surfing etiquette:
Don't even think about paddling to a lineup if you don't know the surfing etiquette, surfing has rules to keep order at the lineup and avoid collisions and accidents, like a driving a car, you need to know the rules.

Getting past the impact zone:
I surf at a very chaotic break, most beach breaks you can walk half way to the lineup and paddle a minute or two, where I surf it takes 10 minutes to get to the lineup, it's very far in, waves are big, currents are strong, this is my tip.
Don't go to the lineup if you can't paddle there, if you're not able to paddle your way there, you shouldn't be surfing outback.

Don't stop paddling:
You're almost past the impact zone, you're getting tired, you're telling yourself resting a minute is better than paddling over the set, trust me, you're going to burn 15 minute out of your session instead of 30 seconds.
If you don't paddle all at once to the lineup, you're going to waste your time, resting isn't an option if you're in the impact zone, get out back first, then go sit on your board.

No nos:
This may be obvious but don't touch a shortboard, stay away from these not until you advance past your intermediate stages, I'm not advanced enough to ride a real shortboard with very little volume.
Don't bother trying to duck dive your board, any board you'll use for the next year will have lots of volume which makes it easy to paddle, get used to punching through waves, realistically you won't need to turtle roll unless the white water is very tall, most of the time, getting in a planking position over your board is enough to get over.
In your beginner stages, wear a wetsuit that covers you knees, trust me, wear shorts or a shortie suit and you're in for knee pain and inflammation.

Saving money:
Don't buy a surfboard.
Rent out surfboards at a surf school as you advance, once you get to intermediate, then purchase a board for yourself.
Don't have enough money to be doing sessions 4 times a week?
No problem, spend the other 3 sessions swimming to build upper body strength needed for paddling, endurance is crucial in surfing, you don't want to be exhausted then get held down under water, that's just putting your life at risk.
Live far from the beach?
Just workout to stay in paddling shape, you always want to stay in shape to go surfing.
Buy your own wetsuit, it'll cost you around $180 but it's worth the investment, you don't want to wear a suit bigger than your size, water will get in, the sleeves will become heavy and you'll be just torturing yourself, you also don't want to be putting on a wetsuit people are peeing in, you're bound to catch something this way, just your own.

Buying a board:
Do not buy a fish, I own one, it took me 2 weeks to get used to it, switching from a funboard to a fish isn't something you want to do in your beginner stages.
This was an issue because when you learn on a longer board, when popping up you get used to using your toes as leverage to get your body up, on a shortboard, you lift yourself with only your arms, you need to build upper body strength and relearn your technique.
Buy a funboard, a minimal is the perfect choice for getting started, don't hesitate to ask the forum here before buying a surfboard, it's a big investment, if you buy a good surfboard, it will last you a long time and also leave a hole in your wallet for a while :lol:

If you have anything to add, don't hesitate to comment, any information would help out the beginners.
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby Big H » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:05 am

icetime wrote:Hey guys, I've been surfing for 2 months now...


I don't agree with a lot of what you posted; understandable considering your time as a surfer to date......hard to understand where the wealth of knowledge came from in just 8-9 weeks but I DO understand the excitement that comes with learning this and how you want to do nothing else than talk and think about it..........alot can be learned and gleaned intellectually, going through manuals, internet articles, youtube videos, actual human to human lessons and posts on here, but real learning occurs in the water and takes time for each of us to sort out in our own ways.

Keep the stoke; I can see that you are really into this....I have learned a lot from the older heads on this site who have been in and around this for a lifetime.....try to look out for the pearls that they drop from time to time.
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby icetime » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:20 pm

Big H wrote:
icetime wrote:Hey guys, I've been surfing for 2 months now...


I don't agree with a lot of what you posted; understandable considering your time as a surfer to date......hard to understand where the wealth of knowledge came from in just 8-9 weeks but I DO understand the excitement that comes with learning this and how you want to do nothing else than talk and think about it..........alot can be learned and gleaned intellectually, going through manuals, internet articles, youtube videos, actual human to human lessons and posts on here, but real learning occurs in the water and takes time for each of us to sort out in our own ways.

Keep the stoke; I can see that you are really into this....I have learned a lot from the older heads on this site who have been in and around this for a lifetime.....try to look out for the pearls that they drop from time to time.


I surfed 4 times a week for the past two months and now I surf close to daily if my schedule isn't full, I learnt most of this stuff because of dedication and being that guy that tries to get as much in as possible :lol:
You do have a point about the time in the water, I can't explain to anyone how to catch a wave because you feel when you've caught it, you can't explain how it feels to anyone, it's just a level you get to with time.
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby pmcaero » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:22 pm

icetime wrote:[*]Never turn your back to the waves.
If you have anything to add, don't hesitate to comment, any information would help out the beginners.


Some of your advice is good,some is common sense, but .... if you never turn your back to the waves ....you won't ever catch one. :lol:
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby Big H » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:34 pm

icetime wrote:
Big H wrote:
icetime wrote:Hey guys, I've been surfing for 2 months now...


I don't agree with a lot of what you posted; understandable considering your time as a surfer to date......hard to understand where the wealth of knowledge came from in just 8-9 weeks but I DO understand the excitement that comes with learning this and how you want to do nothing else than talk and think about it..........alot can be learned and gleaned intellectually, going through manuals, internet articles, youtube videos, actual human to human lessons and posts on here, but real learning occurs in the water and takes time for each of us to sort out in our own ways.

Keep the stoke; I can see that you are really into this....I have learned a lot from the older heads on this site who have been in and around this for a lifetime.....try to look out for the pearls that they drop from time to time.


I surfed 4 times a week for the past two months and now I surf close to daily if my schedule isn't full, I learnt most of this stuff because of dedication and being that guy that tries to get as much in as possible :lol:
You do have a point about the time in the water, I can't explain to anyone how to catch a wave because you feel when you've caught it, you can't explain how it feels to anyone, it's just a level you get to with time.


No offence, but you are just above a raw beginner. Two months hasn't even gotten all the kinks out of a leash.

4 times a week for 8 weeks = 32 times out. That isn't enough to tell anyone about anything. There is a section in your post that you just PM'ed me 5 or 6 times about a few days ago........the bit about popping up I told you was different on a longboard because you could use your toes, but on a short board you can't which I told you because you were asking about chicken winging a pop up for a short board because you couldn't get it sorted like how you had done on your foamie. I also told you that it would be a waste of time to learn the chicken wing and you'd be better off just learning a proper and quick pop up. The part I didn't tell you was that it is not different on the two boards; I pop up without my toes on my longboard now too though I didn't when I was starting out because I hadn't learned how yet and had been using my toes which is common and normal. If you're going to steal my words at least do it where I can't see it or I expect a reference rather than blatant plagiarism....besides, like I said you got it wrong, only half the message.

...and if you're sitting on the peak, sitting sideways is fine....in fact it's my preferred position....I look at those who are deeper than me and if they are going to make a move and who I need to watch for...that way if I go for a wave I know who's going too so I know where to look to see if they got in.....some regulars if they are deeper and go I don't bother because they don't miss, and some visitors distinguish themselves quickly that way too......might not see that if you aren't looking.......plus you can sit sideways, slide back a bit on the tail with the nose up and waves slide by really easy......butt as a sea anchor......you can even weight the rail and duck under the lip of a wave sideways, but give a little kick or paddle depending on the wave otherwise you might get sucked back and over......

Keep getting out there, keep the stoke, keep the advice for now.
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby oldmansurfer » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:03 pm

My advice is
1) Don't die or require rescue
2) don't get in the other surfers way or injure them
3) Have fun
So what is worse.... dying or regretting it for the rest of my life? Obviously I chose not regretting it.
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby icetime » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:04 pm

@Big_H
I'm only sharing what I learned from the community and from surfing, I can't credit every person for what they've shown me, but everything you see in this post is gathered from advice from users of surfing-waves and a few friends at the lineup.
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby drowningbitbybit » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:14 pm

Big H wrote: Two months hasn't even gotten all the kinks out of a leash.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby waikikikichan » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:42 pm

pmcaero wrote:but .... if you never turn your back to the waves ....you won't ever catch one. :lol:


Growing up in Hawaii, the first rule we learn is "Never turn your back to the ocean". It means to be aware of what's going on and to respect it. Just like you should never turn your back on a classroom full of children ( what movie was that with Arnold ? )
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby dtc » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:24 pm

Never put the board between yourself and the ocean

Was watching a surf class the other day and people using the board to try and protect themselves from the white water and one poor girl got smashed in the face (with her softboard but it still have her a blood nose).
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby icetime » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:34 pm

dtc wrote:Never put the board between yourself and the ocean

Was watching a surf class the other day and people using the board to try and protect themselves from the white water and one poor girl got smashed in the face (with her softboard but it still have her a blood nose).


Ouch, not much of a "soft" top now is it?
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Re: From beginner to intermediate, Tips and Knowledge

Postby drowningbitbybit » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:36 am

dtc wrote:Never put the board between yourself and the ocean

...unless you're standing on it. :wink:
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