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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Oldie » Sat May 28, 2016 4:48 pm

Big H wrote:....would cork the board (sit on the tail, push it down and frog kick and start to paddle on the rebound) and paddle like hell....the other way I was getting in was to spot the wave as it came in and start to paddle half speed for the wave in front of the targeted wave, then gun it as that wave rolled under....have to allow a little for distance to the intended catch area but helped since trying to get up to speed quickly in pitching, sloppy short period chop is not easy.


On the Dutch coast I see mostly shortboarder do this corking. Can you do that with a longboard?
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Big H » Sat May 28, 2016 5:05 pm

Yes.

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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Oldie » Sat May 28, 2016 6:06 pm

Thank you all for so much good advice and valuable comments. I will stick to my longboard for now andy maybe add a mid length board next year.

Just for fun some pictures of the conditions we usually face in the North Sea - waves come only with local winds. These are pictures I took on our last trip three weeks ago.

On this day, MSW stated 4-6ft at 6s. Onshore winds of 25mph. Water at 10°C.

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Two days later, Wind dropped to 15mp, MSW said 2ft at 4s, but it looked more like 2s:

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I am already looking forward to our trip to the French Atlantic coast in July. :D :D
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby oldmansurfer » Sat May 28, 2016 6:53 pm

That looks like where I surf all the time (except for the wetsuit)
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby icetime » Sat May 28, 2016 8:16 pm

Oldie wrote:
dtc wrote:However one area where longboards can struggle (in my experience! Some of the guys here are much better at longboarding than I'll ever be and probably will disagree) is short period waves (ie the time between waves) where the waves aren't very big (under chest high faces). The problem with longboards is that it takes a while to turn them and get them up to speed - they are long and heavy and require more effort. And if you are only starting your paddling mere seconds because the wave arrives because the wave period is so short, then you just cant get the speed up in time to stop perling. The smaller waves can mean that your nose is then near the flats (flat water in front of wave) and just digs in. Note that here I am talking about under 6-7 second period; above that time and the period of the wave is not an excuse


In the North Sea, 2-3ft at 6-7s is a dream day! Very often you get 4-5s. HIgher Waves almost always come with very strong onshore winds. Longer periods than 7s are extremely rare.

Good advice though to keep the Nose more towards the Beach at all times in that situation, I will try that next time.


Haha you can't complain here we always get waves with huge punches so learning is slow, everyone's first step in surfing here is dealing with heavy drops and steep waves, periods go up to 12s sometimes, the other day we had 9ft at 8s, everyone got obliterated.
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby dtc » Sat May 28, 2016 11:11 pm

Oldie wrote:Just for fun some pictures of the conditions we usually face in the North Sea - waves come only with local winds. These are pictures I took on our last trip three weeks ago.

On this day, MSW stated 4-6ft at 6s. Onshore winds of 25mph. Water at 10°


To be honest I think I would give up surfing if I had that every day and it was 10C. Maybe you should just move to Australia...

But I guess with those waves maybe you line up to catch the wave after the next one
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby icetime » Sat May 28, 2016 11:43 pm

dtc wrote:
Oldie wrote:Just for fun some pictures of the conditions we usually face in the North Sea - waves come only with local winds. These are pictures I took on our last trip three weeks ago.

On this day, MSW stated 4-6ft at 6s. Onshore winds of 25mph. Water at 10°


To be honest I think I would give up surfing if I had that every day and it was 10C. Maybe you should just move to Australia...

But I guess with those waves maybe you line up to catch the wave after the next one


Looks like turbulence and rough seas isn't enough to keep surfers away from the waves :lol:
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Big H » Sun May 29, 2016 2:55 am

Hah....I'd quit surfing if that was what I had to work with.....you're a better man than me....


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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Tudeo » Sun May 29, 2016 3:39 am

Oldie wrote:Just for fun some pictures of the conditions we usually face in the North Sea - waves come only with local winds. These are pictures I took on our last trip three weeks ago.


Ha ha ha, yes I know those conditions very good, I'm from Amsterdam and did a lot of windsurfing in Zandvoort and Wijk aan Zee. Even though wave surfing is my big passion, I couldn't bring myself to do it there. For me surfing was only fun on the southwest coasts from say Molliet until Albufeira.. And then I only got serious into it after I moved to Bali at age 48 ;)

I think ur problem is basically you don't surf enough. All the great advice I've read in this thread only starts working when you surf with enough frequency. By experience you slowly put all the pieces together, that's my experience anyway.

The wave has a sweetspot for takeoff, sometimes u hit it by accident and you think how is it possible that it can be so easy to takeoff? Other times, and this happens more often unfortunately, you ask yourself how is it even possible to catch a wave? :lol:

It's the learning of reading the waves, the timing and positioning that will come with experience. Also the technique of handling the board comes this way, by experience. Putting too much weight to the front and you pearl, countering it by putting more weight on the back and you miss the wave. Finetuning is key.

It's good to experience different boards, more input means more learning. Best is if you can borrow or rent off course.

I own an Addvance 6'6" btw. I'm 6ft 73kg, I like that board a lot for easy catching and dynamic shortboard feel while riding the wave. I took it out for a test ride and had the best waves in a long time and was sold. What the guys say here is true, it's not the board it's technique/experience. But on the other hand there could be a board that's just right for your learning experience, the problem is finding it without throwing insane money at it.

And then after you've found that magical board, it's only magical long enough to get you to the next phase of your surfing live, cos there's always more to learn. I'm moving into the bigger more hollow waves now and found out my Addvance is the perfect board in those circumstances, to break my neck :mrgreen: Doing re-entries or cutbacks the limited rocker just doesn't fit the wave shape, the nose catches and there you go. It's like a catapult in windsurfing ;)

Then this: just yesterday I bought my first longboard and tried it in bigger waves the same day. I was worried about pearling when first paddling by the limited nose rocker, but the board has a decent amount of tail rocker that brings the nose up as in a little miracle when the wave starts lifting and pushing. That and just a bit of angling made for pearl safe drops. Ah ya, and I didn't go for a full bottom turn, just a quick turn while getting to my feet to stay high on the face.
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby dtc » Sun May 29, 2016 4:11 am

Big H wrote:Hah....I'd quit surfing if that was what I had to work with.....you're a better man than me....


.....this is here tomorrow..........pumping...


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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby oldmansurfer » Sun May 29, 2016 4:32 am

I would quit surfing if I had to surf in the crowds you guys do :D
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Tudeo » Sun May 29, 2016 4:45 am

dtc wrote:The general cause of perling is not the nose but the tail being hit by the wave and lifting up, as waikikichan said. That drives the nose down. This happens because the speed differential between the board and the wave is too great. Think of a rear end car collision. If the back car is doing 80 km/h and the front car is doing 10km/h, then the impact is violent and the rear of the front car gets push up and so forth. But if the front car was doing 70 km/h, then the impact might just push the front car to going a bit faster and that's it.


Great theory! I hadn't looked at it this way, helpfull, thanks!
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Lebowski » Sun May 29, 2016 5:28 am

Big H wrote:Hah....I'd quit surfing if that was what I had to work with.....you're a better man than me....


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Pah! That's nothing! :D We had 22s period a few weeks back, and then this last weekend! :shock:

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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby waikikikichan » Sun May 29, 2016 6:42 am

If you're riding those types of waves, I would recommend not using a 9'0" or a 7'6". I would use a 43" bodyboard and fins.
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby dtc » Sun May 29, 2016 6:58 am

Tudeo wrote:[Great theory! I hadn't looked at it this way, helpfull, thanks!


Its not as instantaneous of course - in perling you get a bit of a push and think you are about there and then the nose goes under 1/2 second later and the wave pushes the tail just that bit too far upwards.

And I'm sure the actual 'physics' is way more complicated but that is how I treat it in my mind.

Lebowski wrote:Pah! That's nothing! :D We had 22s period a few weeks back, and then this last weekend! :shock:


So how many did you catch :shock:

waikikikichan wrote:If you're riding those types of waves, I would recommend not using a 9'0" or a 7'6". I would use a 43" bodyboard and fins.


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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Lebowski » Sun May 29, 2016 8:16 am

dtc wrote:
Lebowski wrote:Pah! That's nothing! :D We had 22s period a few weeks back, and then this last weekend! :shock:


So how many did you catch :shock:

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None. The wind direction was poor so it was just a horrific mess on the big day. The other days either side were still pretty solid though and I got a few decent ones.
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Big H » Sun May 29, 2016 12:41 pm

Putting this 7'2" in the car for tomorrow.....
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby oldmansurfer » Mon May 30, 2016 12:28 am

Looks about the size and general shape of my board back when I weighed 160 pounds. I could ride everything from 2 feet to 20 feet on it.
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Tudeo » Mon May 30, 2016 1:16 am

Big H wrote:Putting this 7'2" in the car for tomorrow.....


That's a beauty. I still have this (7'4"x20"x2.5" tail 13" nose 12"), bought it here about 25 yrs ago to learn surfing. :lol: It was the only 2nd hand board with some length to it I could find then..

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It has a ding though and I'm not sure if it is wise to have it repaired. I don't know how an old board like this holds in waves it was made for, like today..
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Re: Beginner: 7.6 Addvance vs 9.0 Longboard

Postby Big H » Mon May 30, 2016 4:35 am

That looks good for big days......this one is almost the same, 7'2"x20x2 3/4"....single fin + thickness means paddle speed getting in....I don't do much on bigger waves other than bottom turn and carve top to bottom so single fin does just fine.....and it is faaassstttt! Bruce Hansel board, local shaper...a little more nose rocker than other boards I've seen of this kind and seems to work well here. Good times!
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