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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby Big H » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:44 am

Check out this site.....his designs are similar to each other and remind me of your planned board.
http://www.nealpurchasedesigns-france.c ... s/quartet/
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:45 am

Hahaha for awhile I haven't said anything on that, benji was good enough :)

At DBB, how would you think the shape would work better? Less wide centre, or wider nose to make the lines straighter?
I guess I'm tied as the 5'8 hypto is even wider (20" wide) so would have even more curve than mine and that's supposed to handle barrels etc? and mine has more rocker than that?

I'm also kind of tied between a pure good wave board and a everyday board that can handle juice.
What I love about my 5'6 dominator is that it's short enough to not pearl on steep waves, has speed, turns nicely,
Paddles well but just struggles
Digging a rail on overhead stuff.
What I thought I would do with this one is stretch is by 2", add more rocker, a rounded pin (rather than round tail), chop out a lot of volume and a bit of width from
The tail, have more performance rails but keep around the same volume (tiny bit more) for paddling.

The shaper has kind of done that to the dims I suggested but I guess I'm still torn about making sure it's absolutely what I want? I emailed him back asking if he had any tweak suggestions etc.
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby Big H » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:56 am

Consider perhaps not trying to make a single board that suits all conditions.....FWIW those Hypto Kryptos are supposed to be magical but I don't see them in the lineups here when it's head high or more.....you have the dominator already and like that right? Why not make a board that will handle a bit better waves...more rocker, narrower nose and tail and some more length. Then you'll have a board you like in the pair that is best suited to a narrower range of conditions which in the end will mean you have a board that better fits a broader range of conditions.
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:03 am

That's exactly what I have done.. I've taken the Dom 5'6, lengthened it to 5'8, made it more narrow, made the tail thinner and a rounded pin, added more rocker, added more performance rails but kept volume about the same. That's why in my head it should work for better waves but still be an ok all rounder but DBB thought it had too much curve?
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby Big H » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:15 am

You mentioned Lost boards before......I see a lot of these here; they look like better good wave all a rounders than hyptos to me....comes in a variety of tail shapes. Maybe look to something like this for inspiration?

http://www.lostsurfboards.net/boards/the-v3-rocket/
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:28 am

The 5'8 is almost identical to
My design in width, thickness and volume! Rocker looks fairly similar as well. And they go on about pros winning events on the 5'5 and 5'7??
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby Big H » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:10 pm

Should set your mind at ease then!
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby drowningbitbybit » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:41 pm

benjl wrote:At DBB, how would you think the shape would work better? Less wide centre, or wider nose to make the lines straighter?

I'm no shaper, but I think I'd concentrate on getting the rail straighter through the middle third of the board so it could hold a wall better. I wouldn't make the width any thinner in the middle (but I'm a big guy and about 20" is my comfortable minimum, so you might be fine) - I'd push it out slightly towards the nose and the tail, and for a faster wave board, I'd be tempted to add 2" in length to the centre.

We all know you're addicted to shorter boards, but I think in this case, you might be aiming at shortness for shortness' sake. So as you said, maybe you need a good daily board, and a more suitable board for powerful/fast waves.

Remind me - how tall and heavy are you?
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby drowningbitbybit » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:42 pm

benjl wrote: And they go on about pros winning events on the 5'5 and 5'7??

...and Kelly Slater can surf a table.
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:53 am

I'm a lightweight, currently 65kg and 172cm tall. I guess I can get away with a smaller board?

The interesting thing about the 5'8 lost v3 is that it is slightly wider and slightly thinner than my prototype, it's also got a touch more volume as well (.5l) which is surprising given that my idea is thicker.
My idea must have quite a thinned out tail?
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby Big H » Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:45 am

I would let the shaper make the call and have more input.....I think that at my (or your) level of comprehension RE surfboard design, while we are able to identify certain characteristics, to understand how all those different elements harmonize is the voodoo a good shaper has right? Go take a look over at Swaylocks sometime.....those guys go on and on about technical details of shaping that I just don't understand.....and the rocker is the heart of the board, changes in that change everything according to them. Personally, I would let the shaper do his thing after having had the discussion with him and showing him my favourite boards - or - I would try to either demo or buy used versions of existing boards that look like they have the features that I think I would need and like (go get a Lost V3 and try it out). But getting too involved in the process would be like someone telling me what they wanted to eat then give me specific instructions on how to do 1/3 of the preparations.....just doesn't work.
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby jaffa1949 » Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:23 am

A custom Virgin on some volcanic pacific islands is to find a beautiful Virgin and then the custom is to sacrifice her in the volcano the increase the crops , bring rain or bring up the surf. Elsewhere , no virgins and no volcanoes, very unkind having no virgins or volcanoes!
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby drowningbitbybit » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:04 pm

Big H wrote: harmonize is the voodoo a good shaper has right? ....and the rocker is the heart of the board...I would let the shaper do his thing

Yes... yes... and yes :D


...but also, the surfer does need to tell the shaper exactly what they want (but not how to do it), which does take some trial and error, as well as some modifications along the way. Maybe a bit more chilli with that? :wink:

The back and forth between the shaper and the surfer is perfectly normal - it's what's supposed to happen, and a good shaper won't mind. It's only when the design is agreed on that the surfer should get out the kitchen and let the shaper do his job.
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby drowningbitbybit » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:09 pm

benjl wrote:I'm a lightweight, currently 65kg and 172cm tall. I guess I can get away with a smaller board?

But why "get away with" a smaller board? If the ideal board is, say, 6' then yes, you could get away with a 5'8... but if you're buying a custom board for a particular type of wave, then why compromise?

Don't get me wrong - if you and your shaper think that's the best board for you and the wave, then go for it, but I do wonder if you're confusing 'short' with 'performance'.

I do like the design of your board - for me, I'd ramp up the dimensions here and there as I'm 85kg and 183cm, so I need some volume - but if I was buying that board off the rack, I'd be buying it as my mid-sized everyday board.

EDIT: Just occurred to me that we might be talking slightly different wave height scales. My 4-6 ft is a BIG wave, bordering on a semi-gun territory. If, however, your 4-6ft is the same as my aussie 3ft, then that board would be close to ideal. I'd still go more rocker for a hollow wave though.
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:02 am

I just got a mate to measure the nose and tail of his 5'8 hypto krypto and he said it was 15'5" at both the nose and tail.
The Dims of my board are 14 1/16 nose and 15 1/8 tail so I guess it will have a more refined nose and tail than a stock hypto. Interesting..

My 6ft would be about the size of the wave that I have as my
Profile pic? Around 3m wave height or roughly double overhead?
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby drowningbitbybit » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:22 pm

benjl wrote:My 6ft would be about the size of the wave that I have as my
Profile pic? Around 3m wave height or roughly double overhead?


Hey, tell you what, ignore me, you seem to be doing alright :wink:

You know your waves and your previous boards a lot better than I do. That's not the board I'd choose for a big or hollow wave, but the shaper is not making it for me, so what do I know? 8)

Interested to see how it goes! :D
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:03 pm

I did ask the shaper about potentially adding some of your suggestions and this is what he wrote back?
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:53 am

OK, so another quick update. I just had a chat to the shaper and said that my only other query would be to add an inch or two in length and perhaps drop the thickness a tad to still get the same overall volume.
He agreed and said that he is also in favour of more length in bigger waves and thought this might add to the 'all rounder' ability.
I suggested to look at 5'9 or 5'10 and play with the dims to suit and flick back another print out and go from there!

Hopefully he can do that today and i'll post up here how it looks !
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby Big H » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:37 am

I for one am ready to see the finished product and get ride reports! :)
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Re: Custom virgin?

Postby benjl » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:47 am

Update- he's now sent through the attached 5'9 version.
Same width but thickness has been reduced to 2 3/8. A few mm's more rocker in both the front and back (Lowish in front but a bit in the back), nose and tail have also been slightly reduced by 1/8th.
It's definitely starting to look like a better wave board Now


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