Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

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Re: Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

Postby Katsura » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:55 pm

No this will not be the case, you have the cause and effect reversed - allow me to explain.
First lets simplify this and not consider causes such as illness, death from accident etc, so we only consider the population of a food chain 'tier' purely from its role within that food chain.
In a situation like this, the population is limited by 2 factors:
1, predation from the tier(s) above it
2, availability of food as tier below it.

If you take away 1 of these limiters, in this case, the predation from above, the population is still limited by that second factor - availability of food.
Take the sharks out from this, the secondary predator species, may experience localised small population increase, but overall, their number would not explode because there simply isn't an infinite amount of food to sustain them. So it's not that a high tier will over populate and wipe out a lower tier but rather they will NOT over populate because they can't - there simply isn't enough resource for them to over populate.

Look at it this way: If there is a forest and say completely isolated and fenced off from outside, there are of course trees, grass, providing food for a population of wild boars, which in turn is predated on by tigers, say the tigers all died off, the boar population will not increase unchecked - simply cause the forest can't sustain an unlimited number of herbivorous. In short term some trees maybe uprooted and chewed to death by the pigs but then a new equilibrium will establish between the number of trees and number of boars.

Of course like I said this is a simplified scenario, in real life there are other factors at play but they are for the most part, peripheral influences. The main limiting cause, is the available food, or the lack of, of a tier below in a food chain. BTW at the most basic level, the plankton level, the 'food' is sun light. that's why a nuclear winter, or meteorite strike that result in dust particles blocking out the sun, is a real concern because it will knock out the base level (foundation) of food chain and every tier above it, will collapse.
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Re: Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

Postby friso » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:27 pm

yes i guess you are right, but if the top predator dies, the animal below that has not to worry about getting eaten anymore so they have more time to search for other resources. Because that's the way nature works right?, it is able to change.
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Re: Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

Postby lenny » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:47 am

Hi, I was the guy that was attacked at Redhead, Newcastle 5 weeks ago today. I have been researching forums on the SharkShield and came across a link to this forum with a thread regarding me!! Thanks for the supportive comments guys and girls, its been a horrendous 5 weeks for myself and my wife and 3 kids, I was coming of a groin injury 8 weeks before my attack and was only surfing that day to regain my cardio fitness, I was in 2 minds whether to surf that day, hang with my kids or go surfing???? I thought I can do both...beautiful, I had 2 mates txt me dont bother surf crap...cardio fitness important so I go, as im walking to water I see bluebottles on shore,great...i'm thinkin what am I doing, this is stupid. Soooo many little signs!! 4.40pm its like a high powered rubber boat hits me, the rest is history...as awful as you'd all think, so he took 2kgs of me with him, half my right quad and other muscles I cant remember the name of, butt cheek a wreck, cant sleep, cant walk properly...but still alive with all limbs, very lucky.
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Re: Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

Postby jaffa1949 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:57 am

Lenny,
it's great that you are here to share your story,sh--tty way to loose kgs, but you are home reasonably intact for your family and kids what can I say except well survived.
You're up there beyond the guy who got his ribs busted by a dolphin doing airs at Nobby's in the 60s :lol:
I've taken up troll hunting just for fun, instead of a rifle I'll just use a pun! 冲浪爷爷
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Re: Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

Postby surf patrol » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:59 am

Hi lenny, welcome to Surfing Waves!
Thanks for sharing your story, I wish you as speedy a recovery as is possible.
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Re: Shark Attack @ Newcastle, NSW

Postby Katsura » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:11 am

Glad it's not worse mate. It could have easily been. Best wishes to a speedy recovery.
Look at it this way - since you've lost some weigh, there's less need for cardio j/k. All the best!
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