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Postby jaffa1949 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:51 am

I've got an interesting experiment coming up.
Currently using C drives as side bites on my 9ft Outer Island and a 9" Roxborough centre fin.
it goes very well But as the board has a single to double concave with a bit of venturii compression where it goes 1 to 2, I am trialling the FCS bonzer quad fins,the board is not quadable but it gives me a small and large set of Bonzer fins.
I've have been very interested in the Bonzer concept for a long time and Venturii effects interest me for surf boards, I can shape but not accurately enough to warrant paying dollars to get it right i the bottom configuration, so the fin test is a compromise that might work, hang around for a report.
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby Rickyroughneck » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:43 pm

What exactly is venturii compression?
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Postby jaffa1949 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:48 am

That's an OOPs on that, it probably isn't compression in the correct terms of physics, but the venturi effect relies on Bernoulli's principal, that the fast a fluid ( air water etc is moving the less the pressure of the fluid is. Jet engines use it where they have a big opening to the engine which then narrows down through the turbine and then reopens out just past it.
Surf boards do the same with a single to double concave The credit for modern bottom contours should be spread over a number of experimenters but the Campbell Brothers in American came up with a three fin board "The Bonzer" with the contours of the bottom then were fairly hard tapering channels with a small side bite ( although the term wasn't used then ) keel like fins that followed the contour with their cant. From my observations of Bonzers this seemed to give a greater down the line squirt of speed than anything else I observed.
Getting people to shape the contours for venturi in Australia was like explaining Mammals to Dinosaurs, and then the thruster can along and i couldn't take the idea any further. Meanwhile in the States the Campbell Brothers kept their ideas and softened the contours to single to double concave still with the fin cant.
So I recently bought a set of FCS Bonzer fins and today I tried the smaller pair and whammo great nose rding on a very small wave and lots of zip in the little perfect waves :D :D :D

Here is a picture of a Venturi imagine shaping a channel bottom to these contours, I was concerned that tyhe board would track and leave me having to hold the line I set on the wave but the release was great and turning was easy.
Applause to the Campbell Brothers :!: :!:
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Look the Bonzer up a great design :!: :!:
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby IB_Surfer » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:48 am

Very interesting, I dabbled with a 6'2 bonzer a couple of years ago. I was kind of perplexed about the performance in small surf, it worked great in anything over waist high, and I mean great, but was not at as good in tiny waves as I thought it would be. I dig the design, I had it out in way big scary waves and it actually caught waves better than my step up, I guess the water flow works for catching wave.

Hadn't thought of using it for a longboard, though my buddy has a quad fin setup longboard he totally digs.
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby Rickyroughneck » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:32 pm

jaffa1949 wrote:That's an OOPs on that, it probably isn't compression in the correct terms of physics, but the venturi effect relies on Bernoulli's principal, that the fast a fluid ( air water etc is moving the less the pressure of the fluid is. Jet engines use it where they have a big opening to the engine which then narrows down through the turbine and then reopens out just past it.
Surf boards do the same with a single to double concave The credit for modern bottom contours should be spread over a number of experimenters but the Campbell Brothers in American came up with a three fin board "The Bonzer" with the contours of the bottom then were fairly hard tapering channels with a small side bite ( although the term wasn't used then ) keel like fins that followed the contour with their cant. From my observations of Bonzers this seemed to give a greater down the line squirt of speed than anything else I observed.
Getting people to shape the contours for venturi in Australia was like explaining Mammals to Dinosaurs, and then the thruster can along and i couldn't take the idea any further. Meanwhile in the States the Campbell Brothers kept their ideas and softened the contours to single to double concave still with the fin cant.
So I recently bought a set of FCS Bonzer fins and today I tried the smaller pair and whammo great nose rding on a very small wave and lots of zip in the little perfect waves :D :D :D

Here is a picture of a Venturi imagine shaping a channel bottom to these contours, I was concerned that tyhe board would track and leave me having to hold the line I set on the wave but the release was great and turning was easy.
Applause to the Campbell Brothers :!: :!:
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Look the Bonzer up a great design :!: :!:

Oh yes of course :). To be honest though I am sceptical that the principle actually applies to surfboards. The reason being is that jet engines work because the air is heated and the expanding gases are compressed and forced backwards (like a rocket). Since the water does not expand at all, it couldn't provide any propulsion since there are no moving parts. To use a popular term "there is no such thing as a free lunch". Regardless, I am sure the concave bottoms are very fast anyway but for different reasons.

I really want to try a bonzer though, the idea of spray from turns being redirected off the outside fins for lift is really interesting!
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Postby jaffa1949 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:37 pm

I 'm pretty sure that the effect is by applying Bernoulli's Principle as a lift component rather than true venturii in a cylinder as the concaves are only two dimensional and the narrowing would use the lift factor to create a low pressure at that point, I think the main effect as you identify is probably in the fin configuration I see it echoed in some of the twin finned aircraft and it's more about fluid dynamics and angular velocity. I know tank tests have been done but I've never seen any results or papers about it.
The difference with the Bonzer fins is quite noticeable, I've experimented with laminar flow with dimple bottoms, channels and concaves, the single to double concave seems to be the best, dimples, as per a golf ball I couldn't tell the difference. Channels were great gave the board a lot of speed but at extremes tended to make the board track and often had failures in the glassing with the hard edges . ( impact and slack glassers)
Concaves are a combination and softening of the channel idea without the tendency to track unless the concaves are really deep.
An important thing to note is that I have been an upper average rider for most of my history so the extreme levels of performance are not in my repertoire :lol: :lol: But I am OK.

At the end of the surf, it's what makes the board work for you one thing I have found there is no magic board for all conditions and like golf you need to choose your club? board to suit the shot.
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These are a couple of shots from another surfer who has found the Bonzer fins a good option, he uses the larger of the quad pairs.
My first surf was with the smaller, note the cant and this might be the beneficial part
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby Roy Stewart » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:58 am

jaffa1949 wrote:
Venturii effects interest me for surf boards



Sorry but the venturi effect for surfboards is a myth, you'll notice that the campbell bros. no longer use the concept in their advertising, I pointed out the error to them a few years ago.

Bonzers work on the concave and hydrofoil lift principles.
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby Roy Stewart » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:59 am

Rickyroughneck wrote:
jaffa1949 wrote:That's an OOPs on that, it probably isn't compression in the correct terms of physics, but the venturi effect relies on Bernoulli's principal, that the fast a fluid ( air water etc is moving the less the pressure of the fluid is. Jet engines use it where they have a big opening to the engine which then narrows down through the turbine and then reopens out just past it.
Surf boards do the same with a single to double concave The credit for modern bottom contours should be spread over a number of experimenters but the Campbell Brothers in American came up with a three fin board "The Bonzer" with the contours of the bottom then were fairly hard tapering channels with a small side bite ( although the term wasn't used then ) keel like fins that followed the contour with their cant. From my observations of Bonzers this seemed to give a greater down the line squirt of speed than anything else I observed.
Getting people to shape the contours for venturi in Australia was like explaining Mammals to Dinosaurs, and then the thruster can along and i couldn't take the idea any further. Meanwhile in the States the Campbell Brothers kept their ideas and softened the contours to single to double concave still with the fin cant.
So I recently bought a set of FCS Bonzer fins and today I tried the smaller pair and whammo great nose rding on a very small wave and lots of zip in the little perfect waves :D :D :D

Here is a picture of a Venturi imagine shaping a channel bottom to these contours, I was concerned that tyhe board would track and leave me having to hold the line I set on the wave but the release was great and turning was easy.
Applause to the Campbell Brothers :!: :!:
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1973_Bonzer_plan_Surfer__Sep_v14n3p64.jpg


Look the Bonzer up a great design :!: :!:


Oh yes of course :). To be honest though I am sceptical that the principle actually applies to surfboards. The reason being is that jet engines work because the air is heated and the expanding gases are compressed and forced backwards (like a rocket). Since the water does not expand at all, it couldn't provide any propulsion since there are no moving parts. To use a popular term "there is no such thing as a free lunch". Regardless, I am sure the concave bottoms are very fast anyway but for different reasons.



Quite so.


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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby jaffa1949 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:47 am

Roy_Stewart wrote:
Quite so.


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You're right there Roy, a true Venturi effect is in a three dimensional cylinder shape not a two dimensional bottom of a surf board a in two dimension as I said in my second post is a question of lift as per fluid dynamics , I believe your tunnel fins configuration is probably the thing that is most likely to produce a Venturi effect on a board although the non circular shape may cause some different effects?
Does your use of tuberacles mitigate problems if any? I see no threshold or tip turbulence as there is no tip only a leading and trailing edge, I reckon that the fins might be the major selling thing for you in the end!

I am very impressed by the change of performance with the Bonzer fins with the increased cant and the different profile.
BTW a lot more tank testing of the dynamics of shape rail and bottom contour would an interesting research project for someone.
Full physics would settle a lot of myths and erroneous beliefs.
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby Rickyroughneck » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:51 am

jaffa1949 wrote:BTW a lot more tank testing of the dynamics of shape rail and bottom contour would an interesting research project for someone.
Full physics would settle a lot of myths and erroneous beliefs.

Something like this would be excellent! Scientific method in the design of surfboards would be a major leap forward.

jaffa1949 wrote:I 'm pretty sure that the effect is by applying Bernoulli's Principle as a lift component rather than true venturii in a cylinder as the concaves are only two dimensional and the narrowing would use the lift factor to create a low pressure at that point

That is an interesting theory, but narrowing the contour to speed up the water to reduce the pressure would have the opposite effect: it would suck the surfboard down. I can only assume that the actual effect is minimal enough not to impact the ride to a significant degree.

I think it is the Venturi effect that makes the single to double concave work, the expanding area under the surfboard slows the water to provide more upthrust. I want to experiment with a shallow single concave that starts small at the front and widens to the tail, but alas lack the funds to do so :D (probably for the best).
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby jaffa1949 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:30 am

Rickyroughneck wrote:
jaffa1949 wrote:BTW a lot more tank testing of the dynamics of shape rail and bottom contour would an interesting research project for someone.
Full physics would settle a lot of myths and erroneous beliefs.

Something like this would be excellent! Scientific method in the design of surfboards would be a major leap forward.

jaffa1949 wrote:I 'm pretty sure that the effect is by applying Bernoulli's Principle as a lift component rather than true venturii in a cylinder as the concaves are only two dimensional and the narrowing would use the lift factor to create a low pressure at that point

That is an interesting theory, but narrowing the contour to speed up the water to reduce the pressure would have the opposite effect: it would suck the surfboard down. I can only assume that the actual effect is minimal enough not to impact the ride to a significant degree.

I think it is the Venturi effect that makes the single to double concave work, the expanding area under the surfboard slows the water to provide more upthrust. I want to experiment with a shallow single concave that starts small at the front and widens to the tail, but alas lack the funds to do so :D (probably for the best).


Be careful with the reverse tapered single concave it has been tried a number of times and has been shown to be fast but as you go for speed you lose the ability to make directional changes , the board tracks :!:
One area where I notice the improvement is the extra acceleration coming out of a turn, your thoughts on the widening effect could be true but a strong uplift could make the board skatey and I would have thought that the smaller fins would have made the skatiness worse? Haven't found that so yet.

I think the the velocities boards attain is probably less than would produce a profound effect! ie. until a certain airspeed is reached a plane cannot fly.
So I surf like a bee, in terms of raw physics a bee should not be able to fly, but nobody told the bee and they do, fly :!:
Experiments continue and there is a bigger surf today, 6ft+ and getting bigger, the home break runs fast for 300 metres so a really good test track.
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby drowningbitbybit » Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:06 am

Just to go entirely off-topic for a moment...

jaffa1949 wrote:So I surf like a bee, in terms of raw physics a bee should not be able to fly, but nobody told the bee and they do, fly :!:


One of the most elusive questions in science has finally been answered: How do bees fly?

Although the issue is not as profound as how the universe began or what kick-started life on earth, the physics of bee flight has perplexed scientists for more than 70 years. In 1934, in fact, French entomologist August Magnan and his assistant André Sainte-Lague calculated that bee flight was aerodynamically impossible. The haphazard flapping of their wings simply shouldn't keep the hefty bugs aloft.

And yet, bees most certainly fly, and the dichotomy between prediction and reality has been used for decades to needle scientists and engineers about their inability to explain complex biological processes.

Now, Michael H. Dickinson, the Esther M. and Abe M. Zarem Professor of Bioengineering, and his postdoctoral student Douglas L. Altshuler and their colleagues at Caltech and the University of Nevada at Las Vegas, have figured out honeybee flight using a combination of high-speed digital photography, to snap freeze-frame images of bees in motion, and a giant robotic mock-up of a bee wing. The results of their analysis appear in the November 28 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"We're no longer allowed to use this story about not understanding bee flight as an example of where science has failed, because it is just not true," Dickinson says.

The secret of honeybee flight, the researchers say, is the unconventional combination of short, choppy wing strokes, a rapid rotation of the wing as it flops over and reverses direction, and a very fast wing-beat frequency.

"These animals are exploiting some of the most exotic flight mechanisms that are available to insects," says Dickinson.

Their furious flapping speed is surprising, Dickinson says, because "generally the smaller the insect the faster it flaps. This is because aerodynamic performance decreases with size, and so to compensate small animals have to flap their wings faster. Mosquitoes flap at a frequency of over 400 beats per second. Birds are more of a whump, because they beat their wings so slowly."

Being relatively large insects, bees would be expected to beat their wings rather slowly, and to sweep them across the same wide arc as other flying bugs (whose wings cover nearly half a circle). They do neither. Their wings beat over a short arc of about 90 degrees, but ridiculously fast, at around 230 beats per second. Fruit flies, in comparison, are 80 times smaller than honeybees, but flap their wings only 200 times a second.

When bees want to generate more power--for example, when they are carting around a load of nectar or pollen--they increase the arc of their wing strokes, but keep flapping at the same rate. That is also odd, Dickinson says, because "it would be much more aerodynamically efficient if they regulated not how far they flap their wings but how fast "

Honeybees' peculiar strategy may have to do with the design of their flight muscles.

"Bees have evolved flight muscles that are physiologically very different from those of other insects. One consequence is that the wings have to operate fast and at a constant frequency or the muscle doesn't generate enough power," Dickinson says.

"This is one of those cases where you can make a mistake by looking at an animal and assuming that it is perfectly adapted. An alternate hypothesis is that bee ancestors inherited this kind of muscle and now present-day bees must live with its peculiarities," Dickinson says.

How honeybees make the best of it may help engineers in the design of flying insect-sized robots: "You can't shrink a 747 wing down to this size and expect it to work, because the aerodynamics are different," he says. "But the way in which bee wings generate forces is directly applicable to these devices."
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Postby jaffa1949 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:54 am

Got a real buzz out of that, thanks :lol: :lol:

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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby Rickyroughneck » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:09 pm

I remember a few years ago (fair few now, groan) that the physics department of a British university (can't remember which one) declared the bumble bee incapable of flight :D.

How is the experiment going?
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby dklay » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:51 pm

Interesting stuff....it's got me wanting to try messing around with different fin setups, although I don't know as I'm good enough to know the difference!

I recently came across this shaper's site :

http://www.jblairsurf.com/Home_Page.html

He's a big proponent of quad fin setups positioned much more forward than most board shapers. While I don't know if he really gets the physics of it all, his opinions sure got my attention. His boards look really interesting.
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Postby drowningbitbybit » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:02 am

dklay wrote: I don't know as I'm good enough to know the difference!


Years ago I had a custom 7'4 funboard (which I really wish I'd kept... it was a great board) and one day, more or less on a whim, I changed the fins. Nothing major (I thought) - just swapped from a 'normal' set of fins to a 'performance' set of fins (still a thruster set-up)... and WOW :shock:

It changed the board from riding like a mini-mal to riding like a shortboard.
So give it a go - you might be surprised 8)
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby jaffa1949 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:59 am

Today's experiment with the small bonzers, wasn't a success , a fail in fact!

Surf poor weak and onshore, a strange break never surf there before, a right hander so, backhand for me.
Now I recognize it could any or a combination of any of these, the board was direction less could hold a line under broken water, then would track aimlessly on the face,neither th fins nor my surfing had anything th be impressed about :( . Tomorrow possible cleaner surf and I've spotted a left on thother side of the reef :D

The spot was called little Noosa and is about as far way from the real Noosa as you can get on the east coast of Australia , Victoria's Mornington Peninsula.

Potentially a great spot as are others but not today and not for the five days preceding :(

Sort of the Aussie equivalent of a bad UK day :( :(
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Re: AN UNCLE JAFFA FIN EXPERIMENT

Postby hunsta » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:28 am

jaffa1949 wrote:The spot was called little Noosa and is about as far way from the real Noosa as you can get on the east coast of Australia , Victoria's Mornington Peninsula.

:( :(

I would suggest they call it "Little Noosa" cause it never got over 2ft. :bang:
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Postby Rickyroughneck » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:37 pm

jaffa1949 wrote:Sort of the Aussie equivalent of a bad UK day :( :(

Which by contrast would probably be a good day in the UK :D


dklay wrote: I recently came across this shaper's site :

http://www.jblairsurf.com/Home_Page.html


He has some tasty designs there, I like that he puts the fin boxes 2" forward. I find that nowadays I am shoving the centre fin of my longboard as far forward as it will go, and can't ride it single because the single fin I have is swept back so makes it ultra stiff, even when positioned at the front of the box (the board is 2+1 so the box is further back). :(
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Postby jaffa1949 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:06 am

hunsta wrote:
jaffa1949 wrote:The spot was called little Noosa and is about as far way from the real Noosa as you can get on the east coast of Australia , Victoria's Mornington Peninsula.

:( :(

I would suggest they call it "Little Noosa" cause it never got over 2ft. :bang:


You'd be absolutely right, the devil easterly wind blew for my entire stay there was major big stuff on the Bass strait side and around to Gunnery but then pfffft evaporate and add super strong onshores, only thing I really got to test was my patience. It was really a holiday with my wife and perhaps a surf thrown in :?
The inside of Phillip Island was going off so that didn't get the trip back to there but I didn't go out at Kitty Millers when I was there MEH :!:
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