Research Project: what makes a good wave good?

[Brent]

Roy, for goodness sake, get a grip of reality man.

Council does not build or own pubs. None. If a private land owner choses to use their own land to build a pub within commercially zoned strips on main roads - that is their right. Just like it's your right to be a hippy & live in a house bus with five children. Council uses the money gathered to plant more trees in better locations for future generations. Nothing else.

When I read your most recient post about your passionate love of exotic & old trees something did not ring true Roy.
Elseware in this website you've recently posted a huge list of surfboards (how many...11???), ALL of these are wood, they are all made from exotic & slow growing species like redwood, balsa, cedar, fijian kauri etc, all of these trees were felled & milled were they not?
Can you explain to the readers how come it's not ok for a land owner to remove a tree you enjoyed in the 1970's and pay a hefty premium to do so...but it is quite ok for you to use similarly exotic woods to build your surfboards.
Your comments (and your quiver) smack of double standards and a poorly resolved belief system.

That's me done with you Roy. Find someone else to annoy.

[Roy Stewart]

Roy, for goodness sake, get a grip of reality man.

Council does not build or own pubs. None. If a private land owner choses to use their own land to build a pub within commercially zoned strips on main roads - that is their right. Just like it's your right to be a hippy & live in a house bus with five children. Council uses the money gathered to plant more trees in better locations for future generations. Nothing else.

Brent, the council actually make the by laws and district plans which determine what landowners are able to do with their land. You have the cart before the horse.
Regarding living in mobile homes, did you know that your council have made it illegal for more than one person to live in any kind of mobile home on private land unless it is a designated campground? It is thus illegal for a couple to live in a mobile home on a ten acre rural block. Bizarre as this may sound it is true . . check it out.
Please check your facts before commenting on my lifestyle. I live in a house with my ten children(unless I am on a surftrip in my bus which is registered as a private passenger vehicle, and which is certainly not a mobile home)

When I read your most recient post about your passionate love of exotic & old trees something did not ring true Roy.
Elseware in this website you've recently posted a huge list of surfboards (how many...11???), ALL of these are wood, they are all made from exotic & slow growing species like redwood, balsa, cedar, fijian kauri etc, all of these trees were felled & milled were they not?
Can you explain to the readers how come it's not ok for a land owner to remove a tree you enjoyed in the 1970's and pay a hefty premium to do so...but it is quite ok for you to use similarly exotic woods to build your surfboards.
Your comments (and your quiver) smack of double standards and a poorly resolved belief system.

You are posting incorrect information. Regarding trees, timber, and the Power Surfboard, realise this:

1)Contrary to what you believe, Redwood and balsa are very fast growing trees. Plantation grown Redwood takes only 12 years to reach a millable size, and is very similar in this respect to plantation grown Pinus Radiata (which we also use in our boards)
Plantation grown Balsawood from Papua New Guinea matures in about 7 years.

2) On the rare occasions when I have used Fijiian Kauri,it has been salvaged from the scrap heap at Nautic Marine (a boatbuilding yard)

3) I have purchased old growth cedar only once, and that was timber which was salvaged from trees knocked over by the Mount St Helens eruption.

4)We use only plantation grown or salvaged or recycled (demolition) lumber to construct Power Surfboards.


Thankyou for giving me the opportunity to clear up your misunderstanding regarding our use of timber.

That's me done with you Roy. Find someone else to annoy.

That's what you said last time! Stick to your guns mate. . .no running away!

[Brent]

Not running away Roy; I've just got far less time than you to spend mucking around on this website. I'd rather spend what personal time I have enjoying myself taking part in my various hobbies & interests rather than debating endlessly with you.
Got real issues regarding our town, got suggestions I can actually work with and use positively and make a difference I'm real keen to hear them. Come in to our offices anytime, I'm always about...that way I'm getting paid while I'm listening to you.
Cheers, Brent.

[Roy Stewart]

Come in to our offices anytime, I'm always about...that way I'm getting paid while I'm listening to you.
Cheers, Brent.

Yup, the only thing that's sacred to you council types is ratepayers dosh!

Drop in on me anytime Brent, I am a sharing sort of person!

[Guest]

You patronising git.

You are completely mis-informed about Land zoning and how it's done and changed. We don't change land zoning...the community/property owners do via a resource consent application, viewed under RMA law set in 1991, then a formal submission process takes place based on the likely impact on the greater community and finally a environment court hearing to test the change as reasonable & seal the deal under law.. We take part in the process only by creating a sensible & workable set of rules for those involved to follow when complete. This set of rules is called the district plan.

Regarding Bylaws; they are quite seperate and required by central government law. They relate to food hyigene in hotels/cafes, liquor licencing, dog registration, parking etc. The only one of these we really have any teeth with is liquor bans...I thought you'd be a big fan of these Roy.

Regarding Mobile homes & Buses; There are two different laws regarding these; the first is a bylaw 1) you cannot park a mobile home of more than 3.5 tonnes in a residential area. The reasons for this rule is the greater community think they're an eyesore and when parked against property boundaries they shade neighbours properties from sunlight (just like a building) and rainwater runs off the roofs over the fences...upsetting the neighbours. Also the key reason is they are a heavier load than our footpaths in residental areas were designed for and when owners drive them into their properties over out footpaths they crack them...the ones ratepayers pay for.

the second rule is a district plan rule 2) You cannot reside in a mobile home. The reasons for this rule are simple. Mobile homes do not have a legitimate long-term sewerage disposal system as required by law in NZ. Where they do exist they are usually poorly maintained and waste enters the water table or creeks & streams on the property. Often where young children (usually the children of the mobile home owners)play regularly. Sorry Roy it's that simple. Government say so & we're just enforcing their requirement. If you have issues with this one...talk to Government Health.

Another reason for this law are few mobile homes have any form of fire hydrants nearby, fire rating or retardant, no method of fighting a fire if it happens - houses in rural blocks must have 20,000 liter water storage capacity in some form for this purpose. This is why most rural houses in New Zealand have swimming pools - they serve the dual purpose of being a handy water supply close to the house for such emergencys. This part of the law was set by the NZ fire service....
Another reason is insulation. Houses must be insulated by law in this country. Most mobile homes although insulated, are not to a high enough standard required by the building act. Problem with that...talk to the B.I.A. (building industry authority).

These are the key reasons for the laws you mention above. If you don't like them or think them unreasonable - vote, lobby your MP, get elected yourself and change them.

Now regarding your patronising comment about my "tree" post; I said "exotic & slow growing", I did not say all the woods you used were slow growing, I was attempting to say that some were exotic AND some were slow growing. In this I am quite correct. The slow growing ones I refer to are cedar and Fijian Kauri.

Now, can we stop this silly back & forwards thing. I'm happy to answer your questions, listen to legitimate suggestions for our city & do positive things...but I'd rather do it at work where I get paid to do this stuff. Not in my personal time.
Email me direct and I'll reply from my work.

[Brent]

This post was obviously me. I forgot to log in.

[Brent]

Woah; after a quiet whisper in my ear by a shaper friend I just did a search of the Swaylocks site under "Roy Stewart". Good sh_t Roy. bita history eh?

No. nonono...don't answer that :-)

[rctkj]

A good wave is a wave that you caught a good ride on . You can't really tag one specific wave as "The" good wave. If that wave was the same all the time it would get boring. That is beauty of surfing every wave is different.

[k mac]

nicely put rctjk

[Roy Stewart]

A good wave is a wave that you caught a good ride on . You can't really tag one specific wave as "The" good wave. If that wave was the same all the time it would get boring. That is beauty of surfing every wave is different.

Well put.

Here's another answer:

" All waves are made by the creator, and are therefore perfect."

"All waves obey the laws of physics, and are therefore perfect"

(If some waves do not appear to be perfect to us it is because we are lacking, not the waves)

[Roy Stewart]

You patronising git.

Now regarding your patronising comment about my "tree" post; I said "exotic & slow growing", I did not say all the woods you used were slow growing, I was attempting to say that some were exotic AND some were slow growing. In this I am quite correct. The slow growing ones I refer to are cedar and Fijian Kauri.

Hello Brent,

As I mentioned to you in my post, the only Fijiian Kauri I have used was lumber salvaged from the 'Nautic Marine' scrap heap. This timber was otherwise going to be burnt. The only old growth Cedar which I have used was salvaged from trees taken out in the Mount St Helens eruption.

You have a problem with that?

I must point out to you that there is at least one subject about which I am guaranteed to be the world's leading expert . . . that subject is:

'The timber used in the construction of Power Surfboards, and the reasons why these timbers are used'

Take care!

[Roy Stewart]

In reply to your reef-related comments...

1) The chief reporter of our local paper has all sorts of people attempting to lobby him, he, being a responsible journalist has to qualify what he writes in his articles or risk losing credibility for his newspaper; I suspect he was only interested in comments from those with (in his readership's eye) a vested economic interest in the Reef project. Surf shop owners, local Hoteliers and the like. That stuff makes interesting reading - not mis-informed ramblings. That's what the Web is for eh Roy?

Brent

Actually, the information which I presented to Mr John Cousins of The Bay of Plenty times, was an article from Pacific Longboarder Magazine, describing how a similar reef project on the Gold Coast had failed.
The reef in question was breaking up, and plastic debris from it was washing up on the beaches. I suggested to Mr Cousins that this information might be relevant to the proposed Mount Reef project.
I stated that my personal opinion was simply that the reef isn't necessary, but that I was taking no steps to prevent it and was offering the article in my capacity as a interested beach user. Mr Cousins made it clear that the article was not going to be published or commented on in his newspaper, and that In his opinion I had no right to speak unless the majority of my income was from the surf industry and unless I employed people in the surf industry.
The man was clearly hostile to anything which might threaten the project. When I suggested that although I am not in personally in favour of the reef, I was offering the information regarding the Gold Coast reef just in case it would help to prevent any such accident in the Mount if the reef were to go ahead, Mr Cousins showed me the door.

If the information from the Gold Coast, (published by Mr John Brasen of Pacific Longboarder Magazine) was not good enough for Mr Cousins because it was being delivered by a humble beachgoer in bare feet with no 'vested economic interest' in the Reef, then he has a very strange set of journalistic standards.


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[Guest]

I cannot comment on the journalist mentioned as I don't know him personally. I suspect he assesed you exactly as I wrote earlier and you kindly highlighted as a quote.

I can comment however that as the reef in Australia failed it was front page news in their local papers for several days. We watched it unfold with interest. We recieved our own copies of the articles as the story was breaking and subsequent copies of engineering reports explaining the reef failure. It was all throughly digested by us here. These clippings & reports are all available for you to read. They're within the planning files for the project on my desk Roy.
I respectfully suggest Roy we were well aware of the problems long before your magazine article was even penned. I can check the dates we recieved them if you like?

The reason we were so concerned about this failure was we were just about to donate 300K of ratepayer money to the trust. Our staff here spoke directly to the mayor there about the problems and met with the head engineer of the project involved and Kerry Black the guy who designed it. We were especially interested in talking to him as he was also designing ours, frankly we were not going risk throwing good ratepayer money away.

The engineering reasons for the failure were clearly understood here and we made provisions so it does not happen here.

This is the key reason for the five year resource consent with very strict conditions I mentioned earlier. As I said if the reef fails for any reason, physical, environmental, social or whatever...it gets removed asap. This will be enforced via Environment Court if required. At the end of the original five year consent period there will be another public submission called for (and I hope you do submit this time Roy), provided the bulk of the community still wants the reef...the consent gets extended ultimately until it reaches the end of its workable lifespan...then the whole thing gets removed.

You may not like it Roy, but it's going to happen.
Lets move on.

[Brent]

Duh, obviously me, forgot to log on again :-)

[Roy Stewart]

To Brent.

Thanks for that enlightening information. John Cousins is however, a bad mannered person, and I don't trust him at all.
I have no intention of making any attempt to stop what the majority of(but not all) Mount surfers want. I will however, express my personal opinion when and where I feel like it.
Regarding the persecution of Gypsies which your Council indulges in, the completely spurious reasons which you use to justify this persecution, and your spineless habit of 'passing the buck' of responsibility for the iniquitous and unfair rules which your Council continues to pass against harmless itinerant and mobile home dwelling persons, I must say that you are one of the worst examples of Evil Bureaucratic thinking that I have ever met.
If you were a gentleman, I would ask you to either cease to insult me, or front up with a pair of boxing gloves to sort the matter out. You are not, however, a gentleman, you are a narrowminded bully.

Yours Faithfully

Roy Stewart

[Brent]

Roy, you're full of xxxxx. Been checking on ya Roy..

You refer to our main beach as your "office", yet you live 88 kilometers inland. You don't even live in the same postal code as your "office". Valley Roy....That's your new name. Comes over the hill sometimes for a surf.
You do not own property here (and contribute property rates) nor do you rent (and contribute indirectly that way), you are not on any electorial role (neither local government nor parlimentary)in this area so you do not vote here. You choose to not contribute anything worthwhile via any legitmate process so frankly, no-one here gives a xxxxx what you say.
I sure don't since I discovered you don't even live here :-)

All you seem to do is drift in cyberworld from one website to the other starting arguments and offering half-baked long winded posts and grand sweeping obscure statements about your surf craft. We all love interesting surfboards (your's sure are)...But we don't need to be awash in their virtues daily. You have a captive audience until the locals realise you don't take your medicine regularly (That's a joke Roy).

Even the nice genteel chaps over at Swaylocks blocked you from their site eventually; that is really impressive...you must have really pissed the hippies off. Some of the "post Roy" posts were lovely as well, like "I miss Roy, I can just imagine him siting there in front of his fire all alone with his computer turned off wearing a tartan wetsuit muttering to himself".

Roy, also, you should think before suggesting what you did in your last paragraph; Remember I'm not an abstract cyberperson, I am a real person who lives in the town and surfs & hangs out at the breaks you visit sometimes.
Be careful Roy...

[Roy Stewart]

Roy, you're full of xxxxx. Been checking on ya Roy..

You refer to our main beach as your "office", yet you live 88 kilometers inland. You don't even live in the same postal code as your "office". Valley Roy....That's your new name. Comes over the hill sometimes for a surf.
You do not own property here (and contribute property rates) nor do you rent (and contribute indirectly that way), you are not on any electorial role (neither local government nor parlimentary)in this area so you do not vote here. You choose to not contribute anything worthwhile via any legitmate process so frankly, no-one here gives a xxxxx what you say.
I sure don't since I discovered you don't even live here

All you seem to do is drift in cyberworld from one website to the other starting arguments and offering half-baked long winded posts and grand sweeping obscure statements about your surf craft. We all love interesting surfboards (your's sure are)...But we don't need to be awash in their virtues daily. You have a captive audience until the locals realise you don't take your medicine regularly (That's a joke Roy).

Even the nice genteel chaps over at Swaylocks blocked you from their site eventually; that is really impressive...you must have really pissed the hippies off. Some of the "post Roy" posts were lovely as well, like "I miss Roy, I can just imagine him siting there in front of his fire all alone with his computer turned off wearing a tartan wetsuit muttering to himself".

Roy, also, you should think before suggesting what you did in your last paragraph; Remember I'm not an abstract cyberperson, I am a real person who lives in the town and surfs & hangs out at the breaks you visit sometimes.
Be careful Roy...

Man, you are way out of line.

I do pay rent in the Mount, and I often live in the Mount when the swell is up.

I also do a bit of business in the Mount and spend money there on a fortnightly basis.

You are an extremely nosey person, and I think that your 'investigation' constitutes an invasion of privacy in the context of an open surfing forum.


Buzz off.

[surf patrol]

Brent & Roy, I'm going to have to step in and ask you b oth to chill with your comments to each other. As you know SW has a no abuse / flaming policy and I'd like to keep this forum as positive as possible. (this goes for other posts)
Now how about some more of "What makes a good wave good"

[Roy Stewart]

Thanks for that suggestion . . .

Regarding the good wave, there are lots of different 'good' waves. What makes them good is having the ability to ride them.

[Guest]

Sure Surf P.
Only used public databases Roy. No secrets on the web
See ya round sometime :->
Cheers, Brent