pumping for speed?

[Aloha]

Could you guys help me with the motion of it because I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm supposed to be doing. When I need to turn up the face of the wave, do I put pressure on my rails and lean into the wave or do I apply pressure on my back foot and kind of pivot my board to the top of the wave? Thanks!

[edit]I wrote a reply about cutbacks but I don't think you were talking about that, hence the edit. Yeah slight pressure on your inside rail will make you go up the wave. However when pumping it's the unweighting which will make you climb up the face.[/edit]

[zangpakto]

The way I have done it is basically put pressure on the rail by using my back foot.

One thing I remember reading if this helps at all, is that the back foot is used to add power to turns etc, whilst the front is used to generate speed. Something along those lines anyway...

But yea, I kind lean my back foot into the wave, I don't lift the board and turn it to face the top if that is what you mean? The wave itself pushes the board up.

Hope you can understand that as I kinda haven't been doing it for long on a shortboard so not sure if what I said is 100% right, but I know it works for me

[donhoe]

I don't think about it, I just do it. I know from what naniekso said is what I do after watching video of waves I have surfed.
When your arm is up you are pushing down and extending. As your arm comes around forward to down you are compressed (knees bent) When done right it will feel smooth and you will gain speed.

It looks the same as Lorcar posted too.

[undergroundthry]

I was watching other guys today and it looks like they're jumping on the wave, as if they're hopping up to the top of the wave and then pushing down to the bottom (if that makes sense); is this the right motion? And should I learn to pump first or backside bottom turn?

Also, not really relevant to pumping, but for bottom turns, I know you're supposed to apply a lot of pressure to your back foot, but is the turn powered by your back foot or by leaning into the wave and driving with your shoulders? I can do frontside bottom turns fine, but backside I can't get the full rotation up the face of the wave.

[donhoe]

Hopping or jumping is because the surfer feels he is going to lose the wave. Most of the time you see this in mushy waves. This is not pumping. They are trying to just stay on the wave when bouncing.

[zangpakto]

For bottom turns like said earlier in post, turns are by back foot for power, and speed is front foot, so basically if I'm right, it means you want to dig your back rail in as hard as you can. Sounds right to me anyway... Correct me if I'm wrong though

[esonscar]

I was wondering how you guys pump on your shortboard while angling down the wave. I'm working on doing a cutback at the top of the wave but it seems to start closing out by the time I reach the top of the wave and its passing me by. The only way I know of pumping is pushing down on the front of the board .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lrZMfonfII

2010 clip : 4m30s - excellent clip for noobs and intermediates - a light kid driving to the inside - (it's like shoveling a skateboard on the flat) – if you actually do this it can be lots of ‘slapping’ noise and grunting as you try to shove to the next part of the wave, or even a reform !

{edit - added link !]

[naniekso]

here i made a video to show you guys how its done

[lorcar]

my probl i that I am goofy but I surf 100% backside, and pumping it's harder. Would love to have a detailed tutorial for backside pumping.

[lorcar]

Here
http://www.surfingvancouverisland.com/s ... _speed.htm
it says:
<<pop to your feet as soon as possible. When you reach your feet get back to the top of the wave by pumping. Your back foot should be farther forward than it would be if you were doing a turn... Use pressure from your back foot to turn your board up the wave.>>

my probl is that once I popup it seems I cant climb on top of the wave!!! this guy teaches how to pump telling you "get back by pumping"????? so what really is pumping???
And I had heard you should push off the fins, but if your back foot is farther forward, how is that possible?????

[tony g]

Hello,
When I need to get down the line fast and I pump my board for speed. I try to stay on the top 1/3 of the wave where the speed is. Don't worry about pushing your board down that will happen automatically with gravity. what you really need to do is keep your center of balance over your board and stay high on the wave with control. when your board starts to accelerate and you descend down the face, pump your board back up the face with your back foot on the tail, and your front foot keeping just enough pressure to keep your whole board in the water so you do not stall by lifting the nose up to much.. You have to feel it, it takes practice. I would suggest you stay in control with balance and work the top 1/3 of the wave and you can learn with perseverance. I would not try to force it. With my experience with beginners they do not have their back foot on the tail enough. when you do this you still need some pressure on your front foot to keep your board planning properly. Flailing the arms is not good!I hope that helps you!

Tony
Safari Town Surf Shop
http://safaritownsurf.com/

[lorcar]

try to stay on the top 1/3 of the wave where the speed is.

and stay high on the wave with control

pump your board back up the face with your back foot on the tail

this is exactly what I dont know how to do!
consider I am goofy going 100% backside here where I am.
What I see people on video, they grab their rail when they take off backside, I have to start doing this.

[tony g]

Yes, grabbing the rail backside can help you to make sections or also help pull you into the tube secction and your other hand can help hold you up on the face of the wave, and also help you to stall if you want to get that sick tube ride. It really is not that hard you just take off and as you go to your feet instantly grab the rail and pull up on it smoothly as your other hand reaches out for the face of the wave. If you do not want to stall,then do not bury your arm into the wave, but rather kind of drag it behind. Good Luck! It takes practice. This is usually used for faster hollow waves, not mushy slow waves.

Tony
http://safaritownsurf.com/

[lorcar]

here i made a video to show you guys how its done

Naniekso, when you are pumping backside, which is the arm lifting as a snake, the back arm (as when going frontside) or the front leading arm?

[naniekso]

here i made a video to show you guys how its done

Naniekso, when you are pumping backside, which is the arm lifting as a snake, the back arm (as when going frontside) or the front leading arm?

your leading arm will be needed to snak

[fatbob]

Naniekso awesome video! ive always tried to imitate this and copy the pros but never really had it spelled out properly, but giving it a whirl the motion feels really fluid.. I though it was more the twister motion and the results havent been the greatest... will be giving this a try on WE

[naniekso]

Naniekso awesome video! ive always tried to imitate this and copy the pros but never really had it spelled out properly, but giving it a whirl the motion feels really fluid.. I though it was more the twister motion and the results havent been the greatest... will be giving this a try on WE

sweet, let me know what you think. everyone that has done it says it works wondesr, and youll feel it too, and they feel the speed, really its a simple motion thats doing alot of things, acctually ts very complicated haha, but it looks simple.

and it looks like a snake motion but its also a looping motion. think of it as making a cone with your arm, except when you complete one rotation, you do that snake motion