Please! Do something about the Bournemouth Reef hype!!!

[drowningbitbybit]

I love that picture - neatly demonstrates a typical bournemouth swell

[Hang11]

I live on a lake, most days there's more swell than the English Channel. Might try to build a reef out the front of my house, could just fill my 4wd up with potting compost and drive it into the water.

[kitesurfer]

(u distinguished generations r not used to that so much, so I will yield to respect for 'generation gap" and read /obey the rules)

IQ gap.

KS

[libby]

oops sorry about the excess of #9 rule
this is the first time that I've contributed to one of these discussions and texting/shorthand is what I'm used to.

(u distinguished generations r not used to that so much, so I will yield to respect for 'generation gap" and read /obey the rules)
m-r

[libby]

HELLO ALL
I have been following with interest the marketing of this new form of beach improvement and have noted that it has paralells with my origional theses on 'over promoted products"


Also locals that can provide feedback on what they expect optimistically and "worst case" from the adventure would be good to hear from.

Doesnt really sounds like someone who is used to talking in text language to me. Surely a thesis (note the spelling, surely if you had ever written one you would know how to spell it) would get you pretty used to longhand....

[libby]

cool,

thank you
thats as up to date as one can get!

M-R

Again, doesn't sound like someone who is used to talking in text....

I have absoloutley no issue with what you're saying market research, i just have my suspicions that you are not who you say you are, in which case this is all just a bit silly.

[libby]

Oh and apologies if you are a genuine poster, if that is the case, ignore the above posts and welcome to the forum

[garbarrage]

been following this thread with some interest, as i've had an interest in what makes a good wave since i started surfing. i fully understand why this reef will be a failure.

however, in the current economic climate, i can see at least one benefit of the reef - in the form of a "folly". for anyone who doesn't know, in the past before social welfare or state benefit existed, occasionally wealthy landlords wouldn't have enough work to keep the locals going. so they would engage them in the seemingly pointless endeavour of building something that was not needed. these structures are known as follies and can be seen dotted all around the countryside.

i understand this isn't their purpose, but for those that are working on the project bringing home a wage i'm sure they are thankful for every construction project they can get, no matter how pointless.

oh, and loving the new photo Libby and 4 times in a row no less.

[phillwilson]

think the question may need to be put in the colloquial tongue,

R U HOO U SAY U R??

[Brent]

Unlike most follys which sit there minding their own business on some private estate or country house bottom paddock content just being elegant bits of period design that find quaint uses in modern life - these are quite different.

1) They are fully in the public domain. They (ours specifically) presents a hazard for all water-craft users. being less than thigh deep at low tide. it sits there lurking like an underwater sand-filled bouncy-castle minus the turrets for any unsuspecting boat owner to drive into.

2) They are not made of elegantly crafted stone & mortar - nope. Ours is made of materials that will be around until the planet goes supernova. Like a lurid pink ski-boot sitting in a landfill, the exception is we see this thing every day as we go past.

Mind you I see one positive thing about your reef in the UK. For whatever reason distance lessens our comments here. People in the northern hemisphere seem more inclined to believe 20 secs of video footage taken over a year ago and PR spin from Kerry Black & Dave Neilsen as proof they work. Rather than eye witness comments from us as we sit here staring at our failure and daily webcam visits.
With your failure will come world-wide attention.

[drowningbitbybit]

Mr.Bond,

With your failure will come world-wide attention.

*strokes white cat*




(Sorry, but thought that was a great line)

[kitesurfer]

Mind you I see one positive thing about your reef in the UK.

So do i Brent. Its gonna turn an unused area of ocean into a good kitesurfing spot. Ks.

[market-research]

thks 4 the welcome libbie
also it is a nice pix of you
nice smile
latest i hear about the Mt manganui reef is that a phd thesis is available on it on the waikato uni website
"Results showed that the beach-state has more cellular circulation since the reef was installed, and a groin effect on the offshore bar was caused by the structure within the monitoring period, trapping sediment updrift and eroding sediment downdrift. No identifiable shoreline salient was observed. Landward of the reef, a scour hole ~3 times the surface area of the reef has formed. The current literature on ASRs has primarily focused on reef shape and its role in creating surfing waves. However, this study suggests that impacts to the offshore bar, beach-state, scour hole and surf zone hydrodynamics should all be included in future surfing reef designs. More real world reef studies, including ongoing monitoring of existing surfing reefs are required to validate theoretical concepts in the published literature."

congratulations Bournemouth - u r the "more real world studies"
MR

[kitesurfer]

a groin effect

Might i suggest a cold shower this usually reduces the effect!

KS

[kitesurfer]

thks 4 the welcome libbie
also it is a nice pix of you
nice smile
latest i hear about the Mt manganui reef is that a phd thesis is available on it on the waikato uni website
"Results showed that the beach-state has more cellular circulation since the reef was installed, and a groin effect on the offshore bar was caused by the structure within the monitoring period, trapping sediment updrift and eroding sediment downdrift. No identifiable shoreline salient was observed. Landward of the reef, a scour hole ~3 times the surface area of the reef has formed. The current literature on ASRs has primarily focused on reef shape and its role in creating surfing waves. However, this study suggests that impacts to the offshore bar, beach-state, scour hole and surf zone hydrodynamics should all be included in future surfing reef designs. More real world reef studies, including ongoing monitoring of existing surfing reefs are required to validate theoretical concepts in the published literature."

congratulations Bournemouth - u r the "more real world studies"
MR

Very surprising to see such a poor spelling mistake of groyne in a phd thesis on the mounts reef.

KS

[Milo]

This reef thing may or may not work, i hope it does. The area needs more people in the water.
Plus it would be a great idea to build loads of flats right on the seafront and sell them for stupid money.
Also they could put a reef down Bournemouth end too. One on each side of the pier.

How was your day on sunday Essex, i went with my son as he was on leave. The afternoon was a lot better. Did anyone else from SW get in.

[market-research]

groin is a anatomy term ( I think)

groyne is a coastal engineering term (maybe)

I think mispelling it maybe takes a scientist?

but yes shame that its on the net with a speelling mistake.

I think it suggest that surfing waves on artificial reefs may get better and better after each project. ( am I being optimistic?)

And yes we all live in hope that lessons are being learnt from any mistakes made in anything done for any progress where people are the beneficieries.
M_R

[Jimi]

also noticed the use of "~3 times" to be somewhat unorthodox for a scientific paper - surely "approximately three times" would be the established protocol...

I presume the PhD stands for "Phake Document"????

[Jimi]

Please, M-R, can you post a link to the article you claim is a thesis on the Waikato Uni website? I had a look for it and can't find it. I should like to read the actual text.

[Ged]

groin is a anatomy term ( I think)

groyne is a coastal engineering term (maybe)

I think mispelling it maybe takes a scientist?

but yes shame that its on the net with a speelling mistake.

I think it suggest that surfing waves on artificial reefs may get better and better after each project. ( am I being optimistic?)

And yes we all live in hope that lessons are being learnt from any mistakes made in anything done for any progress where people are the beneficieries.
M_R

Are you actually from the company that makes the reefs?