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Introduction to swell prediction

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:45 pm
by tomato3000
I've recently been trying to learn to forecast surf and thought I'd share what I've found out and collate it all in one post. Note: this is from a UK bias.

Before I start on learning to forecast - many websites do this already:

http://www.magicseaweed.com
http://www.surfcore.co.uk
http://www.a1surf.com/

Disclaimer: Remember these websites use compuational algorithms to predict the swell. Like any automated service it can't take into account all the variables and can't compare to 'local knowledge'.

On to forecasting: There are essentially 2 parts:
- Identify storms that create swell.
- Work out when/if swell from storm will reach you.

Identifying storms: This can be done in two ways, satellite images or pressure charts.

On satellite images storms are big swirls of cloud. This website lists a number of northern european viewing satellites: http://en.allmetsat.com/images/europe.php

On pressure charts storms are tightly packed isobars, that will form around a central point. Real time pressure charts are available here:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/eur ... ssure.html

The storms are best if they are far off shore. The wind creates messy waves but given time these organise themselves into clean sets. The storms should be at least 500 miles away, ideally 1000+.

Will it get here: Winds really only generate swell in the direction they are blowing so this needs to be toward the break you are interested in. If it's not quite in the right direction then you still get part of the swell.

As for when - swell travels at different speeds (link) but around 500 miles a day is a reasonable rule of thumb.

That's it. A basic introduction to swell prediction.

To predict surf you need to also know the details of the break (best got through experience) and the winds.

The above only covers real time prediction. However the same techniques apply when looking at predicted weather charts. Some I use:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/eur ... ssure.html
http://www.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts ... uv850_z500
http://www.euroweather.net/english/maps

Wave Buoys: These are floating weather stations in the sea. A map of buoys is here: http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/United_Kingdom.shtml

A close shore buoy tell you the conditions now/in very near future. A more offshore buoy essentially tells you what will be happening depending how far away it is (it's also harder to interpret the data).

Most of the buoy data is relatively straight forward. Wave height and period are values you should be familiar with, however won't translate perfectly to the break conditions.

The best buoy data is spectral. This shows the frequency components and direction of the waves at the buoy. They are only available for some buoys. Look for a useful buoy for your break then search for the data on here: http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/waves/latest_run/

Spectral graphs can be a bit bizarre at first. The further from the centre the higher the period (higher period is good). The position shows the direction the swell is going to.

As mentioned by Northswell, this means you can see good waves that might be hidden by other conditions.

More buoy data: CEFAS

Further Reading:This post is based on the much more in-depth tutorial at http://www.stormsurf.com/page2/tutorials/menu.html

Surf Science by Tony Butt , Paul Russell and Rick Grigg has been recommended by many people. Link to Amazon

What I currently do is look at the charts, make a prediction then check it with magicseaweed. When there is swell I pay attention to the conditions at the break. If you cannot get to the break often (it's far away) then try making predictions then comparing it to a local webcam/forecast (Remember a webcam image may have caught the break in-between sets).

If I missed anything or made any mistakes feel free to correct me.

Edited to include Northswells comments.
Edited to include buoy stuff.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:54 pm
by Sar
:clap:

excellent - i kept meaning to ask for something like that to be put on the site but never got round to it.

Thanks :thumbs:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:29 pm
by northswell
Yep there is something you missed, local knowledge, why check with MSW. If your on the East Coast especially MSW is frequently way off the mark. Last weekend a point of fact MSW=flat, local knowledge 2-3ft and clean.
Check the wave bouys, and spectrals as well as all the above data mentioned.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:16 pm
by tomato3000
I've included the comments about local knowledge.

I haven't put in the stuff about wave bouys/spectral. My aim is to put people in a position to look at an image/chart and say 'hmmm there ought to be swell here'. Once you've got that you look in-depth into the details of the swell.

I'm aiming for that because when you first start this it can be an information overload. There's so much data if you try to look at it all you get confused (at least I do).

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:07 am
by Sar
I must confess I didnt read it all the way through before posting (as usual :roll: ) but the basics look great to me, I bought the surf science book to try and learn to predict surf and stuff but it was all a bit much for me - not exactly bedtime reading.

It was just this type of explanation that I wanted, local knowledge is something that you have to learn along the way I suspect

I know that the wind has to be miles away to create swell(*1) etc but the stuff like taking a day to travel 500 miles a day etc I didnt know so was all non sensicle (sp) to me in terms of reading charts and the "will it get here" bit - i didnt have a clue what to look for.

(*1)Many a conversation with friends..."did you go surfing this weekend", "nah, it was way too windy", "oh but I thought that would be ideal, more wind mean more waves shirly??" " :roll: kind of but..... "

I really do think a section on this site about swell prediction would be a great idea.
Hands up those who agreee??

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:40 am
by northswell
What is also important is that a strong offshore wind can blow a small weak swell flat.

The reasons for checking wave buoys and spectrals is that they can pick up swell that have travelled huge distances that may have been totally off your radar.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:06 am
by Surfing-Innovation
MSW was way out in North Wales too (not helped by a rather 'lenient' surf report from a site that shall remain nameless)

They had 1ft with a 20mph S wind - I had two days of clean/glass 2-5ft with light offshore (WSW) breezes ...........

:D

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:45 am
by surfhobbit
Good stuff.

Think it would be worth sticking something in about some of the UK buoys though:

http://map.cefasdirect.co.uk/wavenetmap ... efault.htm

Ga

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:48 pm
by tomato3000
Added stuff about buoys.

I'm pretty new to buoy data but hope that's right...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:06 pm
by tomato3000
Sorry for double posting but:

Is there anywhere that you can get spectral data for the East coast (of UK).