Surfing Waves

Ok I seem to be full of advice lately, but here's a topic that me and some of my bros are split on.

If surfer 1 is in priority position say on a shortboard (sounds biased already eh?) and surfer 2 is sitting outside say on a longboard.

Both are going for the same wave, now surfer 2 pops up first and is riding (being that he has that advantage) then surfer 1 drops in still in position behind surfer 2, "who's wave is it?"

I vote for surfer 1. am I wrong?

whoever is closest to the peak or shoulder of the wave. so in this cause, surfer 1 should have it. personally though, i usually will wait to see if the longboarders are going to take the wave or not. if they are, i'll just wait, if they aren't, i'll go

Lbers always do that just get in front of them and block them it is really surfer 1's wave

Who ever stands up first on the same peak going in the same direction have inside position, the second to stand up if later is snaking.

I've always wondered about this too. I've been surfer 1 and surfer 2 before many times. When I'm surfer 2, I usually get dirty looks or called off the wave so I'm guessing closest to the peak is still the rule. Even though I was on the wave first and caught it out further back.

I think first to your feet doesn't count anymore, I've heard it's an outdated rule.

I do think first to your feet is quite funny when the guy inside is a boogie board.

Also a few times, I took off first and then faded back into the curl, thus cutting surfer 1 off completely and getting more speed from positioning into the curl.

Surfer 1's wave

if its a mixed lineup of logs and shortboards and the loggers are not sharing waves and letting sets go by for the shortboarders ,you just have to drop in and call them off the wave. but if they are letting sets go by for the shortys then just let that one go and let him have it, no biggie.

thats the way i handle lineups with mixed riders.

it sucks surfing in with a pack of loggers that paddle for every single wave.

No question.....SBer is deeper, it is his wave. That is the rule.
If you paddle under him and block him as was suggested earlier, you would be in the wrong and be asking for a fin enema.

Deeper to peak is always priority. First standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the situation in question the longboarder could have faded deeper to the peak around the shortboard and reclaimed priority. That would have been my ploy.

Well if what if I'm hearing is true.... I'll just make sure that I'm out farther AND in the right position .....AND...... if scsurf blocks me anymore.... I'll just have to be serving him his fin enema Good thread brada. I like all the opinions on this one. As you can tell..... It's all about what size board you ride and who you're sharing the waves with. catcha later

tono@trestles wrote:Well if what if I'm hearing is true.... I'll just make sure that I'm out farther AND in the right position .....AND...... if scsurf blocks me anymore.... I'll just have to be serving him his fin enema Good thread brada. I like all the opinions on this one. As you can tell..... It's all about what size board you ride and who you're sharing the waves with. catcha later

If I'm in front of you I deserve it (that's the whole point) T-Bone.

After all it's about having a good time and allowing others to do the same. But sometimes when it's packed or you're just trying to get a fair share, You have to stand up for yourself.

I just want to make sure when I do, that I know what I'm talking about. Ya?

I think it will always be a dilemma. I've heard people around here complain about longboarders because they can catch the waves way back and shortboaders can't, they must be in the peek, so when they are going to get it longboarders are already on their butt and fck their waves... It would be nice to be able for everyone to get the rules the same.

I haven't been surfing that long but I've been in the water long enough. Seems like the person on the inside gets the wave, but I don't think we can say that should be the rule every time. If you're on a redwood sitting on the outside and you're being conscientious by pulling off waves to let the potato chips pass by then surfer 1 should extend the courtesy. If surfer 2 is bogarting the waves, he deserves a swoop across his bow.

However, if we have a school of surfers in the water and guys are jockeying for position, does it matter whether there is a Surfer 1 or 2 hierarchy? If you're in position 2 and you keep getting blocked by torpedoes, you have to stick up for yourself and catch a few...perhaps deliver a couple fin enemas like T-Trestles mentioned otherwise you'll be a timid little douche waiting for a rare opportunity

Well, Mr. Mo, do you think that it is possible that a "little douche" just could be someone that is too out of shape to actually pattle for the good positions? or maybe it's just someone that's riding too small of a board for their stamina and jockying position power? or perhaps it's little johnny grom trying to catch some with his old man. It's pretty much like everyone is saying..... we all just gotta get along and share some waves with everyone.... or .... if you find that you're the douche not getting many waves..... maybe you should check another spot with less loggers or get a fish or fun hybrid and step into the battle zone with the rest of the wave hogs

parrysurf wrote:No question.....SBer is deeper, it is his wave. That is the rule.
If you paddle under him and block him as was suggested earlier, you would be in the wrong and be asking for a fin enema.

Deeper to peak is always priority. First standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the situation in question the longboarder could have faded deeper to the peak around the shortboard and reclaimed priority. That would have been my ploy.

nah thats rubbish sure maybe under WCT competition ruling but in the real world no.

The surfer who was out further caught the wave before you, your the snake no matter where you catch the wave.
Now if the same person paddled back out and you were waiting paitently and he went for the wave I would drop in and tell em to get stuffed. But if you paddled back out and paddled onto the inside, your snaking them.

Share waves around and you generally wont get into trouble....or go surf some proper waves where you wont find any long boarders.

easy

uglystick wrote:

parrysurf wrote:No question.....SBer is deeper, it is his wave. That is the rule.
If you paddle under him and block him as was suggested earlier, you would be in the wrong and be asking for a fin enema.

Deeper to peak is always priority. First standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the situation in question the longboarder could have faded deeper to the peak around the shortboard and reclaimed priority. That would have been my ploy.

nah thats rubbish sure maybe under WCT competition ruling but in the real world no.

The surfer who was out further caught the wave before you, your the snake no matter where you catch the wave.
Now if the same person paddled back out and you were waiting paitently and he went for the wave I would drop in and tell em to get stuffed. But if you paddled back out and paddled onto the inside, your snaking them.

Share waves around and you generally wont get into trouble....or go surf some proper waves where you wont find any long boarders.

easy

So then surfer 1 never has priority over surfer 2 no matter how good he positions himself?

That's were I find the flaw with that theory. The long boarder already has the advantage and could position himself deeper if he deserves the wave, but to just pop up a little outside but still in front of surfer 1 is hogging.

Isn't it obvious?

Whew!! I feel like a great weight has just been lifted.

scsurf wrote:

uglystick wrote:

parrysurf wrote:No question.....SBer is deeper, it is his wave. That is the rule.
If you paddle under him and block him as was suggested earlier, you would be in the wrong and be asking for a fin enema.

Deeper to peak is always priority. First standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the situation in question the longboarder could have faded deeper to the peak around the shortboard and reclaimed priority. That would have been my ploy.

nah thats rubbish sure maybe under WCT competition ruling but in the real world no.

The surfer who was out further caught the wave before you, your the snake no matter where you catch the wave.
Now if the same person paddled back out and you were waiting paitently and he went for the wave I would drop in and tell em to get stuffed. But if you paddled back out and paddled onto the inside, your snaking them.

Share waves around and you generally wont get into trouble....or go surf some proper waves where you wont find any long boarders.

easy

So then surfer 1 never has priority over surfer 2 no matter how good he positions himself?

That's were I find the flaw with that theory. The long boarder already has the advantage and could position himself deeper if he deserves the wave, but to just pop up a little outside but still in front of surfer 1 is hogging.

Isn't it obvious?

Whew!! I feel like a great weight has just been lifted.

no thats no what i meant, lets say there are three surfers surfing a peak, you and two mal's sitting out further than you.

If you paddle out and sit on the outside, wait until they have caught a few waves, work your way into the inside (not snaking) then you have priority...meaning if they paddle for a wave from out further and stand up then i would just go for it and call them off. If you are catching heaps of waves and a mal rider catches one from further out, let them go through and watch them incase they pull off before the inside section which can quite often happen, leaving the wave for you!

If your surfing a beach break, sometimes its just easier to paddle down the beak and find a break with less hassle.

uglystick wrote:

scsurf wrote:

uglystick wrote:

parrysurf wrote:No question.....SBer is deeper, it is his wave. That is the rule.
If you paddle under him and block him as was suggested earlier, you would be in the wrong and be asking for a fin enema.

Deeper to peak is always priority. First standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the situation in question the longboarder could have faded deeper to the peak around the shortboard and reclaimed priority. That would have been my ploy.

nah thats rubbish sure maybe under WCT competition ruling but in the real world no.

The surfer who was out further caught the wave before you, your the snake no matter where you catch the wave.
Now if the same person paddled back out and you were waiting paitently and he went for the wave I would drop in and tell em to get stuffed. But if you paddled back out and paddled onto the inside, your snaking them.

Share waves around and you generally wont get into trouble....or go surf some proper waves where you wont find any long boarders.

easy

So then surfer 1 never has priority over surfer 2 no matter how good he positions himself?

That's were I find the flaw with that theory. The long boarder already has the advantage and could position himself deeper if he deserves the wave, but to just pop up a little outside but still in front of surfer 1 is hogging.

Isn't it obvious?

Whew!! I feel like a great weight has just been lifted.

no thats no what i meant, lets say there are three surfers surfing a peak, you and two mal's sitting out further than you.

If you paddle out and sit on the outside, wait until they have caught a few waves, work your way into the inside (not snaking) then you have priority...meaning if they paddle for a wave from out further and stand up then i would just go for it and call them off. If you are catching heaps of waves and a mal rider catches one from further out, let them go through and watch them incase they pull off before the inside section which can quite often happen, leaving the wave for you!

If your surfing a beach break, sometimes its just easier to paddle down the beak and find a break with less hassle.

Now we're on the same page. Equal opp. for all. Hey the long boarders still have the advantage, but that's alright we have the choice to have as big a board as we want and pick the lineup where we surf.

Besides this only comes up on a rare occasion. It's just been and may remain an unsettled issue with me and my bros. Tono

Thank you guys for the great input.

For me I'll just share what's there If I'm an a turd torpedo then of couse I can for sure sit out farther and catch face sooner but as one who loves the short boards understands how frustrating it can be. So If I'm on a long turd and the short sticks are cool then of couse you have to let em get some( why be a richard head )... But if they are not playin the share game well.... logs can roll over short boarders too and realy F their day up. I know when I went with a buddy he was on a log me on a short so he would pull off the ones I or sombody else was paddlin for but there was a couple of guys who went for every F'n wave!!!!!! and wreeked havoc for me and outhers finaly my bud said something to one of em and he/they paid no attention to it and finaly a couple of outhers pushed him/them out(by way of the fin accross his deck) I imediatly thought damn dudes if all you did was share a little and played nice we'd all be ok, for me if I'm on a log,mal,etc I'll let a lot pass for the short boards due to me understanding both positions... but if I'm letting a shizz pot pass by me for them and they don't let me ride some in well,,,,, then "Houston we have a problem" same goes for me on a short looking at trees floating in one after the outher if they can't share well.... shling,,,, here's Johnny !!!! with just what the Dr. ordered.... One fin enema comin right up. Still I see it on a rare occasion and (have no sorrow for Fookin azz whole's and how they get treated) For me I'm more of the share it all, so what I did not get a couple of waves!!?? there just waves and more will come so share and try to make it as fair as possible to all. So I gues the real answer is not which board or who's standing etc. But who is playing nice and willing to flex a lil, Logers gotta let some thru and shorts gotta watch some logs come in, and it's pritty simple to have good times for all.

scsurf wrote:

uglystick wrote:

scsurf wrote:

uglystick wrote:

parrysurf wrote:No question.....SBer is deeper, it is his wave. That is the rule.
If you paddle under him and block him as was suggested earlier, you would be in the wrong and be asking for a fin enema.

Deeper to peak is always priority. First standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the situation in question the longboarder could have faded deeper to the peak around the shortboard and reclaimed priority. That would have been my ploy.

nah thats rubbish sure maybe under WCT competition ruling but in the real world no.

The surfer who was out further caught the wave before you, your the snake no matter where you catch the wave.
Now if the same person paddled back out and you were waiting paitently and he went for the wave I would drop in and tell em to get stuffed. But if you paddled back out and paddled onto the inside, your snaking them.

Share waves around and you generally wont get into trouble....or go surf some proper waves where you wont find any long boarders.

easy

So then surfer 1 never has priority over surfer 2 no matter how good he positions himself?

That's were I find the flaw with that theory. The long boarder already has the advantage and could position himself deeper if he deserves the wave, but to just pop up a little outside but still in front of surfer 1 is hogging.

Isn't it obvious?

Whew!! I feel like a great weight has just been lifted.

no thats no what i meant, lets say there are three surfers surfing a peak, you and two mal's sitting out further than you.

If you paddle out and sit on the outside, wait until they have caught a few waves, work your way into the inside (not snaking) then you have priority...meaning if they paddle for a wave from out further and stand up then i would just go for it and call them off. If you are catching heaps of waves and a mal rider catches one from further out, let them go through and watch them incase they pull off before the inside section which can quite often happen, leaving the wave for you!

If your surfing a beach break, sometimes its just easier to paddle down the beak and find a break with less hassle.

Now we're on the same page. Equal opp. for all. Hey the long boarders still have the advantage, but that's alright we have the choice to have as big a board as we want and pick the lineup where we surf.

Besides this only comes up on a rare occasion. It's just been and may remain an unsettled issue with me and my bros. Tono

Thank you guys for the great input.

I am so confused



deepest to the peak is in position. period. no confusion. no long, no short, no difference.

had this come up a few weeks ago myself, and inclined to agree with parrysurf. seems the only way its fair. you do occasionally get out there.
had a couple of LBers blatantly wave-hoggin one day. nothing seemed to work. got accussed of dropping in from behind a couple of times. very nearly turned nasty. knew a few of the locals that were out that day. had to intervene to stop em trashing the LBers van.

bit of a headwrecker as to what's accepted as the rule. heard first to your feet and closest to the peak. first to your feet seems like it'll never work. LBers will always win that one.

closest to the peak seems to be the one that'll save you a few clobberings on bigger days also.

You hear that Tono?