Surfing Waves

I've been reading Gary Taubes for a long time. His research and analysis is well done, in my opinion. Here's an interesting interview with him.

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2017/01/11/ ... -diet-food

I belive in limiting fats and carbs....carbs are just another form of glucose. I try to stay away from primary sources of sugars as well....processed and fast foods, beer (malt sugar), packaged drinks and try to limit how much juice I drink as well. Really makes a difference in how I feel.

I don't buy sugar or use it in my house. I don't drink soda or fruit juice very often but if I do no artificial sweetners mostly because I don't like the way they taste. But.....................at work people give me all kinds of sugary things and I eat them. Somehow it all works out

Big H wrote:I belive in limiting fats and carbs....carbs are just another form of glucose. I try to stay away from primary sources of sugars as well....processed and fast foods, beer (malt sugar), packaged drinks and try to limit how much juice I drink as well. Really makes a difference in how I feel.

Someone sounds healthy, keep it up.

Big H wrote:I belive in limiting fats and carbs....carbs are just another form of glucose. I try to stay away from primary sources of sugars as well....processed and fast foods, beer (malt sugar), packaged drinks and try to limit how much juice I drink as well. Really makes a difference in how I feel.

I treat most carbs just like sugar. The body converts them to glucose so they essentially become sugar. In theory I try to eat carbs that are low on the glycemic index. Fats I don't worry about too much. Processed foods I try to avoid as well, but I fall off the wagon at times. I allow myself to go wild at times, but I try to make sure I reign myself in.

People bring me all kinds of goodies at work (cookies,candy,chocolate,cake, pie, pizza,poke you name it). My employees mostly need to diet so I force myself to eat as much of the bad food as I can but at home I have none of that. I just went for my annual checkup and bloodwork blood pressure everything was all normal except I am overweight but the doctor never mentions it. I think that eating little bits of this or that isn't particularly bad. It's quantity that makes a difference but maybe some people have trouble drawing that line so then abstinence is the only way to manage it.

oldmansurfer wrote: It's quantity that makes a difference but maybe some people have trouble drawing that line so then abstinence is the only way to manage it.

For me that is the only way with any kind of chocolate. Once i start, i go. So at 3-4 days per week i deny myself any of it which actually is no problem.

The addictive nature of sugar is something he refers to in the interview. But i felt he does not say anything new that is not known for decades.

sugar is not addictive to me.

Oldie wrote:

oldmansurfer wrote: It's quantity that makes a difference but maybe some people have trouble drawing that line so then abstinence is the only way to manage it.

For me that is the only way with any kind of chocolate. Once i start, i go. So at 3-4 days per week i deny myself any of it which actually is no problem.

The addictive nature of sugar is something he refers to in the interview. But i felt he does not say anything new that is not known for decades.

Eating sugar might be mentally addictive....it is however very much physically addictive....sends your body and appetite on a rollercoaster of peaks and valleys....leaving carbs and simple sugars behind requires an adjustment period where you will feel soooooo hungry and tired, but after about 2 weeks you start to get used to their absence and energy levels and appetite going forward will be more evenly modulated. It is not like you HAVE to have the sugar like a heroin addiction, but after "kicking the habit" you'll notice that you are less tired, less hungry and have more energy throughout the day.

Sugar is not addicitve. Water is also a dose dependent toxin according to their definition. Just a bunch of hype not supported by data. Not only that you have to eat sugar, no way to avoid it and if you did there would be harmful consequences. Lots of healthy food have high sugar levels and are still good for you such as fruits and vegetables. I eat sugar or not eat it and it makes no difference in my life. The problem is really people consuming too many calories without the other nutrients and fiber found in fruits and vegetables

oldmansurfer wrote:Sugar is not addicitve. Water is also a dose dependent toxin according to their definition. Just a bunch of hype not supported by data. Not only that you have to eat sugar, no way to avoid it and if you did there would be harmful consequences. Lots of healthy food have high sugar levels and are still good for you such as fruits and vegetables. I eat sugar or not eat it and it makes no difference in my life. The problem is really people consuming too many calories without the other nutrients and fiber found in fruits and vegetables

Sorry, just not true. These are only your opinions and not based in fact at all.

Any diabetic will tell you about their trials with sugar management. Carbohydrates are complex sugars and weaning yourself from them is not easy. Fruits not only contain sugars but carbs as well and while not off limits need to be considered as part of the total carbs a person managing their blood sugar levels may take in during a given day. Dietary balance is necessary; you can't eliminate all sugars and still eat healthy. However, managing sugar intakes, simple and complex will have distinct physiological effects.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/201 ... g-that-out

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ction.aspx

Big H wrote:Sorry, just not true. These are only your opinions and not based in fact at all.

Any diabetic will tell you about their trials with sugar management. Carbohydrates are complex sugars and weaning yourself from them is not easy. Fruits not only contain sugars but carbs as well and while not off limits need to be considered as part of the total carbs a person managing their blood sugar levels may take in during a given day. Dietary balance is necessary; you can't eliminate all sugars and still eat healthy. However, managing sugar intakes, simple and complex will have distinct physiological effects.

I agree. If you begin a low carb way of eating, you'll have carbohydrate withdrawals. Most people don't experience this kind of withdrawal because they never make it past the first three days of restricted carbs. The sugar withdrawals are too powerful. It's difficult when you first wean yourself off of carbs and get most of them from veggies. There are huge benefits to it once you learn to sustain that type of eating though.

Mercola? The idea that sugar is an addiction is nice for those who struggle with their weight. They can just say there is my excuse. I am addicted to sugar but really they are just eating too many calories and their preference for sweetness makes it worse. There is no good science behind it but no one is saying anything because they want people to cut down on sugar intake and feel like they have an excuse so they won't go off in a corner and eat more to quench their misery from not being able to control their caloric intake.

When I ran marathons "back in the day" carbo loading before a race worked really well. I had pasta, bread, and pie then felt very strong during the events. I still do this before surfing if I plan to be out all day.

Science In Sport has a favorable view:
http://www.scienceinsport.com/us/our-expertise/carb-loading-for-training-sport/

What do you think?

Bike racers eat bananas while racing....it is easily converted to energy. Complex sugars take longer ti break down but have the same effect as a sugar driven power source. There is a place for carbs in a balanced diet, but if you have a fondness for the never empty pasta bowl at Olive Garden, you need to have an outlet for that stored energy.

oldmansurfer wrote:Mercola? The idea that sugar is an addiction is nice for those who struggle with their weight. They can just say there is my excuse. I am addicted to sugar but really they are just eating too many calories and their preference for sweetness makes it worse. There is no good science behind it but no one is saying anything because they want people to cut down on sugar intake and feel like they have an excuse so they won't go off in a corner and eat more to quench their misery from not being able to control their caloric intake.

I know it seems like obesity is simply a matter of laziness or lack of willpower or whatever judgment about fat people is the flavor of the day. However, the latest research is showing that obesity/the ideal body weight doesn't have much to do with willpower or a person's lack of discipline at all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/heal ... .html?_r=2

BoMan wrote:When I ran marathons "back in the day" carbo loading before a race worked really well. I had pasta, bread, and pie then felt very strong during the events. I still do this before surfing if I plan to be out all day.

Science In Sport has a favorable view:
http://www.scienceinsport.com/us/our-expertise/carb-loading-for-training-sport/

What do you think?

When your body does work there are two fuels that you can use to perform that work: one is by burning blood glucose (basically sugar) and the other is to burn your fat stores (ketosis). If your body runs out of sugar (your liver stores extra sugar called glycogen, but it can deplete) while its muscles are working, then it will turn to fat stores and burn those to perform work. Carb loading is probably not a bad idea if you're truly running a marathon and are already a heavy carbohydrate eater. Gatorade is essentially liquid carbs with some electolytes. It's basically carb loading on the fly. I'm not an expert on nutrition; I just know what works for me and my particular health issues. I have to avoid carbs and sugar to maintain my health. I don't want to tell anyone how to eat, but I do believe there are serious drawbacks to eating lots of carbs and sugar. It's a giant rabbit hole though and I'm too tired from surfing to go down that hole. If you're really interested, I'd recommend reading Gary Taubes.

Big H wrote:There is a place for carbs in a balanced diet, but if you have a fondness for the never empty pasta bowl at Olive Garden, you need to have an outlet for that stored energy.

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"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try." - Beverly Sills

Don't really Know if sugar is addictive or not. Everyone blames the latest fad, first it was fat, then fat is good for you, next bread is the devil, now sugar. I think people just eat more food than they need. 40 years ago people ate bread sugar and fat and we didn't have the obesity epidemic we have now.

I think it's best to eat, drink and do/experience as much as you can when young, then later in life develop a sensitivity to listen to your body and to give it what it needs. I am sure there is more intelligence/wisdom, or whatever word you use for it, in our body then in research based theories.
But to truly listen to your body is not easy. Well, actually it is, but there are so many distractions in life that make it hard. The only way to find out is to just do it and, again keep building consciousness and sensitivity to, see the result and keep adjusting over the years until you got it right.