knee pain popping up

[DreamSurf]

like i said im doing a rush course to get into this shizz and become better. ofcourse like any sport if you go hard you will get blessures. one of the examples is that i did 5 k after 3 years not running. i really did it. but i couldnt breath anymore and i was close to pass out. and by doing it every day it was a shock to my body and back and feet started to hurt.

i think i have the same with popping up now. whenever i pop up i feel pain on my knees. obviously like in any tutorial the knee is the foot. but maybe i am overlooking something and need to calibrate?

also maybe like the above story its because of doing rush mode course/ i pop up at home i pop up at work with no knee guards on asphalt ground or warehouse flat ground i pop up on nps board which isnt the foamy board. im a pop up freak LOL

is there anything im overlooking guys? im going to put a video to show you. im really hurt. but have in mind that im every day getting wet this week and last week it began in the weekend. i cant show an ideal pop up because of the pain.

but wait a minute ill upload.

[DreamSurf]

[oldmansurfer]

Can't see very well what you are doing but it seems quick. No clue about the knee pain, never heard of that kind of problem from popping up and no ideas about what might cause it

[saltydog]

It's either too much shock that the knees have to absorb while popping up in hard surfaces like concrete, or to much direct contact pressure the knees have to endure when they need to push off the ground for pop up. Or both. Using a foam exercise mat (even a cheap one) might help.

[BaNZ]

That's normal, I get pains in my ankle when I try to popup at home. When you're in the water, the water absorb the force and lessen the impact. It's great practicing on land but nothing beats more time in the water. As there are too many external factors like kooks, wind, swell, and intervals that will affect your ability to popup.

[oldmansurfer]

I find it slightly more difficult to popup on land than in the water especially on steeper waves. When I popup on a bigger steep wave the board falls away from me and I just bring my feet up and make contact before it's too far down the wave and I stand quickly and get ready for the elevator drop to the bottom usually extending my legs on the way down then compressing when I land on the bottom. There is no way to simulate that on land but it is easy for me because the board falls away from me. It's more difficult for me to popup on smaller slower waves partly because I am not very excited so no adrenaline going and partly because the board does not fall away. However practicing on land is good for a bit. The question is what happens to your feet? Are they landing in the right place on your board? To simulate this on land you need a cutout of your board to practice on. Being fast it isn't going to work if your feet are in the wrong place. I looked around on the internet for information and the best I could come up with is you may be putting sideways pressure on your knees when you land. Perhaps you need to slow it down a bit and make sure your legs are straight or stay crouched so it forces you to land in your surfing stance instead of standing right away?

[RinkyDink]

Sounds like you're overtraining. I know you believe that more is better, but it really isn't. Two pain killers will kill the pain, 15 will kill you. Same goes with training. Slow and steady wins the race. Overtraining just leads to injury and adds enormous amounts of time to accomplishing your goal. Besides, you're surfing to have fun so enjoy the journey. There's no need to rush and it's better to be in rested condition for the days when the surf is pumping.

[barber87]

Your knees might be a bit sore but, if you just recorded yourself doing that, then your knees are fine, dont worry.

[Big H]

You're pushing back....you need to pull your feet up under you, not lever yourself backwards. Front foot needs to get up between your hands. Less of the violent Kung Fu action, smoother, more grace, stay low.............check this out:

Look where the sand is caked on the guy in the video's belly. That's where the body connection with the board is.....head up, arch your back like you are peeling your body up from the board starting at your head down to that spot on the belly....creates the space you need to pull your legs under, the action is not hammering down and rebounding back up.

BTW, he is cheating a little....in the water the board falls away so space is created....on land he's going up on his fingertips to make a little more room.....I had a video that the guy suggested to practice with one brick in each hand if you needed a little more room.....I tried it and decided to just stretch until I could curl my body small enough that I would have enough space both in and out of the water.

[DreamSurf]

You're pushing back....you need to pull your feet up under you, not lever yourself backwards. Front foot needs to get up between your hands. Less of the violent Kung Fu action, smoother, more grace, stay low.............check this out:

Look where the sand is caked on the guy in the video's belly. That's where the body connection with the board is.....head up, arch your back like you are peeling your body up from the board starting at your head down to that spot on the belly....creates the space you need to pull your legs under, the action is not hammering down and rebounding back up.

BTW, he is cheating a little....in the water the board falls away so space is created....on land he's going up on his fingertips to make a little more room.....I had a video that the guy suggested to practice with one brick in each hand if you needed a little more room.....I tried it and decided to just stretch until I could curl my body small enough that I would have enough space both in and out of the water.

my pop up is so instant my board doest go away. i pick it up as soon as i drop when popping up. i find it convenient cause by pushing it back i push the nose of the board nearer to the water and the tail gets pushed by the water. then instant pop up and i drop and let it slide and go right or left depending on where the waves go that day.

the video you show is very interesting cause it learns me to give lesser effort and book good results.

as for the pain. im sure its the ground now combined with shoulder pain over every day paddling. they are shaking because of the shock and my knees are blue ish. when i work sometimes i go on my knees. i have knee cushions but still doing that loads of times will pay its toll. also popping up and all that and praying 5 times a day.

im starting to realise that on water its really good. with the wetsuit i feel more comfy with the knees. its time for a weekend pause thats for sure. i always thought that popping up was a 2 way choice chicken wing or the normal way. now i see that there is a great variaty in the detail on how you do it. as for now ill keep it my way. but it doesnt hurt to try it the way on the video. looks solid i must say. still learning so. but again there is a lot of variaty in the details as i read on this forum.

[DreamSurf]

I find it slightly more difficult to popup on land than in the water especially on steeper waves. When I popup on a bigger steep wave the board falls away from me and I just bring my feet up and make contact before it's too far down the wave and I stand quickly and get ready for the elevator drop to the bottom usually extending my legs on the way down then compressing when I land on the bottom. There is no way to simulate that on land but it is easy for me because the board falls away from me. It's more difficult for me to popup on smaller slower waves partly because I am not very excited so no adrenaline going and partly because the board does not fall away. However practicing on land is good for a bit. The question is what happens to your feet? Are they landing in the right place on your board? To simulate this on land you need a cutout of your board to practice on. Being fast it isn't going to work if your feet are in the wrong place. I looked around on the internet for information and the best I could come up with is you may be putting sideways pressure on your knees when you land. Perhaps you need to slow it down a bit and make sure your legs are straight or stay crouched so it forces you to land in your surfing stance instead of standing right away?

on land sometimes when im tired my toes touch the ground. popping up obviously essentailly is for the water i guess. on flat ground(concrete the knee and ankles may have blessures. really not worth it to do it all the time. im going to buy a yoga mat cauyse they are flexible. the fitness ones are to thick and roll back all the time. perhaps that can make my day better

[icetime]

When I started my popup was really fast, you will soon realize that speed doesn't mean better, you need to chill out and relax and make your popup a second longer, by then your board lowers down below you giving you more space to stand up, if you do what you're doing in the video in the water you'll be slamming your knees or the top of your feet constantly and wipeout most of the time and when it does work it will look terrible you almost tumbling over and restoring so yeah chill out, take your time and popup, the motion looks good but slow it down also go wider your feet are way too close together when popping up working on moving your front foot a couple inches forward

[DreamSurf]

When I started my popup was really fast, you will soon realize that speed doesn't mean better, you need to chill out and relax and make your popup a second longer, by then your board lowers down below you giving you more space to stand up, if you do what you're doing in the video in the water you'll be slamming your knees or the top of your feet constantly and wipeout most of the time and when it does work it will look terrible you almost tumbling over and restoring so yeah chill out, take your time and popup, the motion looks good but slow it down also go wider your feet are way too close together when popping up working on moving your front foot a couple inches forward

on concrete i dont do it on hard ground anymore. theres no point breaking knees. also it just isnt the same like surfing.
you said my feet are close together. very well noticed it is my skateboard stance that somehow needs to be switched to surf mode.
many times i do land like a skater which makes me wobbly. i try to correct it while riding. but sometimes fail. also sometimes i land correctly when i put my mind at it. its a process where i need to switch. its a good details you noticed. trying hard to be aware of this. especially when tired i neglect some details which actually impacts how i surf.
thank you very much .