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Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:01 pm
by nickyb
Hi all,

haven't posted for a while as I've been sulking about my shoulder. It just suddenly started hurting one day before Christmas - noticed it when I tried to go for a swim, thought it was weird, but as I was about to go back to the UK for Christmas, figured I would just rest it over three weeks and it should be fine.

It wasn't, I got back had four weeks of physio on it, plus RICE and anti inflams, he diagnosed shoulder tendonitis - no real change improvement (yes i've been doing the exercises :-)).

Have started acupuncture a week ago which definitely helps with immediate pain relief and frees up movement a lot more but it's still pretty painful to paddle.

I went back in the water yesterday, it's still very painful, but it doesn't appear to have made the problem any worse - anyone had anything similar, how did you fix it and how long did it take?

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:25 pm
by oldmansurfer
I have a sore shoulder that bothers me from time to time. Original injury was from cutting down a tree with a hand powered garden saw. It hurt when I surfed so I would rest it when it is hurting and ice it once or twice a day. If it is bad then 20 minutes on 20 minutes off 20 minutes on again. Strength exercises when it is not hurting. Rest when it is hurting. Originally took ibuprofen for a couple days too. Certain exercises make it worse so I never do those if it is hurting. I only surf 30 minute sessions so I usually id fine for that period of time but I ice it after surfing anyway and even when I am not surfing sometimes I will ice it because I am icing my knee and have to stay still for that time :)

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:14 am
by jaffa1949
Nickyb I'll PM you a really good Chinese Liniment you can get in Chinatown Sydney ( I used it extensively as a support and recovery aid in treating my Chiropractic patients). Keep the exercises going and the acupuncture as well the results are clearer long term.
It also may be a side effect of your choices in soccer teams :!: :!: :!: :!: :wink: :lol:

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:53 am
by nickyb
that's naughty Jaffa - but very funny :-) :-) :-)

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:02 am
by jaffa1949
As an antidote to my cruel and heartless comment about your choice of poorly performing soccer teams. :roll:
I recommend a viewing of this :!:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22895
Enjoy :D

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:25 pm
by Jimi
Hey nickyb, you're not the only surfer with shoulder complaints! Tendinitis isn't much fun, and if it hurts, definitely rest it! If you're not getting results from the exercises the physio is giving you, you could see another, or try to see a doctor with an interest in sports medicine.
It's a very common problem in athletes that can lead to severe limitation on sporting ability and daily function later in life, especially if it leads to tendon rupture.

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:28 am
by ALS8
I am new to the forum...but right away went to the injury section of the forum :) I haven't had a shoulder injury yet, but a good friend did. It was the rotator cuff, which i hear is quite common. Just like any injury, definitly put a cold compress on it as much as possible. You want the inflammation down and it will help with the pain. For treatment though, there is a wrap called BFST (blood flow stimulation therapy). There is one for every body part. My friend used it for his shoulders and said it did wonders. Just wanted to put that out there.

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:41 am
by jaffa1949
Further to this I suggest that a first time post about a product a friend has used needs to be in the buyer beware category.

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:57 pm
by nottyR6
I fell off my mountain bike last May and injured the muscle at the front of my shoulder. I gave it 4 weeks rest then went for a small surf and it hurt like hell for the next 3 day. I went to the docs and had a tear in the muscle at the front diagnosed. He then gave me hydrocortisone which felt great and then I was out surfing again 3 weeks later.

4 weeks later and I am getting pain every time I paddle that lasts for 2 days then when I paddle again the pain I repeated. Tendonitis was diagnosed and the doc offers me another hydrocortisone. I'm not a big medicine fan so thought I should look at the options. Went for a couple of sessions of physio; no good. Tried some acupuncture; no good. However the guy did recommend a program of stretches and that did start to work.

Initially I stretched to the pain and no more but after doing my programme of stretches 3 times per day it started to ease to the point where I could swim without pain afterwards - always with stretches before and after and start and end of the day. After 2 months I was back surfing and now I'm pretty nor al still stretching before and after exercise.

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:53 pm
by jaffa1949
that's pretty reasonable advice Notty.
In my thirty years as a Chiropractor and Osteopath, I add one rider to all inquiries like "I have shoulder pain." .
Please get it checked out by a doctor or qualified practitioner, preferably one who understands the physical requirements of surfing.
There are any number of reasons for pain in a joint and Joe's joint pain may not have the same cause as Bill's and the treatments may need to be different too.

Good physical therapists can often be a good option as there are times where surgery is the way to go, then with physical therapy.

Often the label ie tendonitis is a description of the nature of the injury , you and your practitioner need to examine what is causing the problem, that too needs to be changed so you can surf in comfort.
If paddling or anything else about your surfing causes chronic pain, then something needs to change.
Genuine injuries from a particular fall or wipeout require a different treatment again.
Learn first aid,rescue skills, CPR and injury response skills the life you save could be your own or a close friend.

I ask this regularly; how many of you genuinely know and could use CPR or could stop a heavy bleed?
Also how many of you are health self sufficient?

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:52 pm
by EarthPulse
when i first blew out my shoulder back in 1986 getting thumped off the bottom in Nags Head North Carolina i was told it'd never be the same. i didn't believe it, but it turned out to be true. the rotator cuff is tricky and more complex than say a knee injury,...though they're no fun either. i've had both. anyway, during law school in 1990 i first heard about connective tissue supplements glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate and superoxide dismutase in the form of SOD wheat sprounts. the combination worked really well for the first 5 or 6 years and this is where you should initially seek relief. my shoulder injury was already 4 years old, the knee injury was older from a pole vaulting mishap in highschool. it worked better on the shoulder.

by 1998 or so each surf session was getting less and less fun and my ability to paddle into a wave, particularly steep ones was getting more and more difficult. by '99 i pretty much gave up surfing unless it was just too good to not go out...then residual pain for about 5 days afterward was taking the fun out of just even a short 60 minute session. it got to a point by 2001 i could hardly swing a golf club anymore due to no grip strength in that left hand, that and at 3/4 through my backswing the lead shoulder would "clunk" as it popped slightly out of place and completely fleshin' my swing plane. when surfing to duck-dive i'd have to hug the board with the bad arm and actually got pretty good at it, but it sucked having to resort to that. at 43 i thought i was DONE, thinking about what my deceased father had told me "once you hit 40, its all down hill".

fortunately i'd stumbled into electromedicine back when the net was brand new and had built a few Rife devices and a microcurrent stimulation devices (probably Jaffa is the only guy here that know's what the hell i'm talking about but you can research it on your own). anyways, the g.d. dr.'s killed my old man with a drug cocktail of statins and blood thinners, all due to an irregular heat beat (he'd had all his life), he developed fast progressing alzheimer's (statins leach good cholesterol out of the brain) and then parkinson's. he kept complaining to the heart specialist at Columbia univ medical in NYC about the pain in his joints that he experienced nearly immediately (now widely known statin side effect) and after them diagnosing him with spinal stenosis (which was utter bull) the most important muscle in his body (his heart) failed. that's not the end of it, but was enough to piss me off bad enough (anger's a helluva motivator) that i shelved the law degree and got to work researching.

anyways, to make a long story a little shorter, i discovered the PEMF (pulsed electromagnetic field) device i came up with had a distinct sleep inducing (relaxing) effect and so just screwing around with it when it was new i decided i'd see what happened if i used it all night as my sleep was fitful due to the ringing pain in my shoulder. well with no intention whatsoever but sleeping deeper, i woke up on day 3 and the ringing pain running down the inside of my elbow into the left hand was gone. i'm thinking wow, that's pretty cool. and by week three i'm feeling so good i want to go to the gym because i'd not gone in months. i grab the light dumbells to warm up the bad shoulder and i'm like i don't need this... i go to my starting set and find that i'm banging out 20% more reps than i had 4 months before at same resistance levels. that was 2002. i'm 56 now, still surfing a short board,...sessions as long when time permits as when i was 25 pre-injury. no pain the day after. all the sports injuries from high school (knee mostly, ankle, hip from same pole vaulting mishap) resolved. no more joint formula, replaced by organic sulfur that is pretty cheap and readily available on the net (this is not MSM!!).

oh, your breath under load will go a lot further. good for you guys pushing it in big surf. this U.S. swim team member in 2006 came to me after he'd slid from #1 & #3 in the world to 16th and off the charts in the 50 and 100m events. he increased his static breath hold 19% to just over 3 minutes and his underwater swim from 50M to 75M after about 6 weeks. in other words under load the oxygen metabolism is improved more than at rest. in 2007 he added the 200M and went undefeated in all three distances during the FiNA world cup against the best in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_FINA_ ... Backstroke

i hope you've found this enlightening. good luck with your rehab. at the very least do the organic sulfur and stretching. cheers.

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:01 am
by weekendsurfwarrior
G'day guys,

I know this is an incredibly common problem amongst surfers - so much so that I put together a pretty detailed blog post detailing some exercises & mobilisations you can do yourself to relieve the pain.

Here is the blog post: http://weekendsurfwarrior.com/four-things-you-need-to-know-about-surfers-shoulders-especially-3/

I hope you find it useful.

Ash

Re: Shoulder injury

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 5:39 pm
by oldmansurfer
Interesting to me my shoulder injury seems gone for now. I still do my regular exercises to strengthen my shoulders but I haven't had a problem in a while or even need to ice my shoulder lately. Now that I said that I will probably get wrecked :)