The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

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Postby BoMan » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:35 pm

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A poignant thought from Randall Rosenthal.

"Yep....different for everyone. i felt the same at 70 as i did at 40.....but around 72 it was like i walked over a bridge and was 20 years older on the other side. my advice is do it while you can......then you will have no regrets."
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Postby oldmansurfer » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:32 pm

I wrote this 10 years ago "I went surfing. It rained. I got wet the water was warm, the sky was angry, the waves were peaceful and I was alone" Something like poetry? But it reminds me how the rain smooths out the waves usually because it slows down the wind.
So what is worse.... dying or regretting it for the rest of my life? Obviously I chose not regretting it.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:50 pm

I live 60 miles inland and have surfed 3 hour sessions for years to make the most of every trip. The time has finally arrived when I can no longer productively surf more than 2 hours. When I stay out longer, my paddling and popup weaken considerably and I feel exhausted. Sooo I'll value quality over quantity and get out even when the waves are good!
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:32 am

I wrote this 11 years ago when I was surfing a 9'6" longboard and did probably my first floater from takeoff. I was surfing a fast breaking left (backside for me) This break is notorious for being difficult to takeoff on unless you are in the right place.

Got one of the best backside rides I have had in a while today at where else .......Horners . The middle part wasn't breaking too good today the sand is all over the place so there wasn't any long walls

I just missed the wave before it couldn't get up enough speed to drop down and I almost couldn't on this second wave too , by the time I felt the board start to drop down the wave the face of the wave had crumbled and broke beneath my board I just went for it anyway and managed to not pearl with my long board and ended up still standing at the bottom of the wave and made a turn. I am sure I almost got in the tube backside on that wave a couple times fun wave
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:55 pm

My Kahuna friends are suffering accidents - falling on ladders, bikes and hiking trails. Their minds write checks that their bodies can't cash. One buddy wrote after a terrible fall "I cleared the leaves from my rain gutter for years and all of a sudden I couldn't." So how do we deal with the change? There must be a better way to keep track of declining abilities than a trip the the ER!

One idea is to approach questionable situations with baby steps. Before I skate a new hill I start 1/2 way up and gradually work higher, and before surfing a new break I study it from shore and paddle out on a smaller day.

What do you think?
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:37 pm

I'm all for baby steps. Basically ever time you are injured then that is less time you will be able to surf or skate. If you haven't been on a ladder in a long time take it easy also practice a little bit before going to the top. When you are young ..... well most of us anyway can move around unhindered by orthopedic, neurologic and cardiovascular problems. As we get older many of us acquire a set of old age problems that decrease our ability to perform as well as scheduling problems that decrease our chances to perform.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:52 pm

I admire your strategy of limiting the length of surf sessions. If I lived near the water I would absolutely do the same thing. Quality over quantity! After the first hour the power of my takeoff and popup definitely declines and I spend more time recovering between waves. The silver lining is using the rest time to find opportunities other surfers miss. :D
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:53 pm

Sometimes I can rest when I am surfing and other times not but if I had more time to surf I would spend more time in the water on those days when I could rest and be working on longer times in the water when I can't rest. Right now I am not surfing regularly but I do daily exercises to stay in shape. This morning was a weight day for me so I did a set of shoulder exercises with dumbbells besides my normal stretching. Three days week I do stretchy band exercises. So far this has worked well for my intermittent ability to surf. Hopefully soon I will have more time. But whatever I do I save some reserve for in case I am in trouble which I never really are but just incase so when I come in I am not completely spent...... well one time my leash broke and my board was in danger of going on the rocks and I did everything I could to get to the shoreline to prevent it which involved swimming as fast as I could for around 200 yards which pretty much winded me but it wasn't because I was in danger, it was for my board.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:25 pm

oldmansurfer wrote: I save some reserve for in case I am in trouble which I never really are but just incase so when I come in I am not completely spent.


Well said! Next week we will have 3-5 foot waves and a King tide. Water will be moving fast. The last time this happened I couldn't resist paddling to the outer sandbar and pushed my limits coming in against the retreating tide.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:45 pm

I am really familiar with the beach where I surf and this makes it a lot safer for me as well. So I know where the rips are usually and what to do if I am trying to come in from any position in the entire bay. But unfortunately I maybe make the lifeguards a little nervous because I am an old man often by myself and in incliment conditions. Fortunately quite often the kite surfers like the conditions.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:57 am

I wrote this ten years ago on facebook.
One of the problems you encounter surfing is getting caught inside of where the waves are breaking. This can be a minor hassle or life threatening. I learned a bunch of ways to go through waves that are breaking. If they are small enough just plow on through them, if they are a little bigger then I push away from my board and let the wave go under me but over the board or a little bigger I will push the tail down with my feet and brace my arms against the board so the wave hits the board and pushes it up and over. Bigger still and I try to go under the wave in kind of a half duck dive. A duck dive is where you push your board under the water and below the wave. It requires that you don't have a lot of flotation although you can do something like it on any board if the wave hasn't quite broke yet. In bigger waves I turn the board over and pull the nose down so the wave hits the board and pushes it under. If it's really big I just bail out and swim for the bottom. It's a big advantage for body surfers or paipo boarders because you can more easily avoid getting pounded by swimming down to the bottom and letting the wave pass by. I also generally try to avoid paddling out through the breaking waves and go to the side if possible. Before you go out you spend a little time to look at the surf and formulate a plan of how and where to get out. Sometimes no matter what you are just going to take a lickin.



Having started off body surfing I was used to getting pounded by large waves prior to surfing. The board adds a complicating factor. It floats and doesn't allow you to go to the bottom unless you abandon it. Before the days of the board cord, it was easy enough to let go of the board and swim for the bottom but then you are left without a board so you generally tried to not do that. I can recall getting pounded by a wave and hanging on to my board while I did multiple somersaults underwater just following where my board was pulling me. I was so surprised to still have the board. Later I looked at my board and found I had crushed the board with my fingers where I was holding it that day. With a board cord you can let go the board and head for the bottom and you may or may not be able to get deep enough to avoid a pounding but then the board will usually pull you along and you take a pounding anyway though maybe not as bad.



One day I was surfing at Horners in Wailua and wiped out on a wave. I came up in the impact zone but there were no waves at the moment. My choices were to play it safe and paddle to the side which would take me maybe 5 to 10 minutes more time or just try to get lucky and go straight back out. I decided to try to go straight back out since the timing of the waves seemed like I had time to make it. I was able to paddle to within 20 feet of the other surfers before getting hit by a set of about 5 waves which pushed me back about 30 feet, so close but no cigar. I thought "Oh well this time I will go for it from the start and for sure make it" This time I made it to about 10 feet from the other surfers before getting hit by a set and pushed back again. I was so close I decided to go all out and ended up with the same result. I was so close to getting out of the impact zone but starting to get tired. I just kept at it getting pounded over and over. I think it took me 15 minutes to get that 50 feet back out. Finally I did get out. One of my friends told me the other surfers were starting to worry about me LOL. I was so close I couldn't give up but the next time that I ended up in that situation on that day I chose the other option to paddle around and take a few extra minutes to get out.



Another memorable pounding was out at Hanalei and I wrote previously about my longest tube ride and deepest tube ride which was the next break over from where we called impossibles. That place is bad because if you get caught inside to get out you have to paddle all the ways across impossibles and try to sneak out between impossibles and the bowl or go around the bowl, a long paddle then get outside of the surf and paddle all the way back or just keep at it till the sets let up and you get out. I got caught inside there three times on the day that I caught that really great wave. It took me nearly 20 minutes each time to get back out. That was 20 minutes of taking sets on the head. I started thinking I might drown and after a while I found myself thinking that drowning was a better outcome than what I was going through. After the third time I got caught inside again and chose another option and that was to ride the whitewater in to the shore. As good as that tube ride had been I wasn't getting any more like it and just getting worked over. So I had the best tube ride of my life and the worst pounding of my life all in the same day.



All said and done I actually enjoy a little pounding. If I have time I like to stay in the impact zone near the shore for a while and get a salt water massage. It's a lot of force but it's just water and I have come to enjoy the way it feels (when I am not trying to do something).
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:59 pm

Mike Ho surfing at 64 years old. Hey he is surfing quads. Maybe it's an old man thing?
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:31 pm

oldmansurfer wrote:I got caught inside there three times on the day that I caught that really great wave. It took me nearly 20 minutes each time to get back out. That was 20 minutes of taking sets on the head.


I am not in condition to suffer that! After a pounding I have to rest before taking a wave and it definitely cuts my session short. :shock: Taking the long way around is my best option.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:15 pm

I am certainly no longer in that shape. I was really fit back then. Today it would just be head back in from the first set of waves. That was just a brutal pounding and ultimately would have saved time and energy paddling around that nearly 400 yard paddle but back then I was young and in tip top shape. There were like 6 wave sets and each time I would almost get out then get caught and pushed back. But these days I can take a few waves of fairly decent size on the head before giving up and heading in. If it is before my allotted time I will go in and paddle back out at an easier spot. Where I surf regularly most days I have to take on a set of breaking waves but mostly I seem to stay out of the impact zone even though it seems so chaotic. I just get in a groove and do the right things.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:45 pm

oldmansurfer wrote: If it is before my allotted time I will go in and paddle back out at an easier spot. Where I surf regularly most days I have to take on a set of breaking waves but mostly I seem to stay out of the impact zone even though it seems so chaotic.


It's hard for me to get out after an allotted time, especially when it's good. When I start feeling tired I look for ways to stay in the water - waiting on the inside for the set to pass before paddling out, getting out after a ride and walking to the rip current, or taking longer rests between waves. Eventually I get "noodle arms" and go hiking with my camera!
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:27 pm

I haven't had noodle arms in nearly 50 years. When I first started surfing I used to but quickly got into better shape and now limit my time in the water so that I am never that overworked. But I guess part of that has to be mental conditioning as if I am tired I can draw on my reserve strength and force myself to paddle more effectively. Once safely in to the shore I won't go back out if I have had to dip into the reserve. In the above situation where I was taking endless waves on the head the problem was I was winded. I didn't have enough time above the whitewater to catch my breath except for in between sets and then I had to paddle like crazy to get out. So I was very out of breath however still strong and able to paddle efficiently for a bit. I still remember thinking drowning was probably better than what I was enduring LOL But I was there voluntarily and could have stopped it at any time. Were I to get rubber arms then it would have ended my attempt to get through the surf. These days I don't have anywhere near that conditioning but it varies according to my on land workout
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:20 pm

I wrote this on Facebook ten years ago too. An addendum I have been hit by an SUP and bruised my shin and split my toe nail.

Wiping out is a part of surfing and even more if you push your limits more. I imagine I have wiped out thousands of times but can only remember a few times. One was where I almost drowned on a big day at Hanalei and I wrote a note about it (one of the earlier ones). Other than getting injured or almost killed there isn't usually much else to say about wiping out. You get tossed around by the water and then you come up and have to get out of the impact zone before you get pounded more.



Sometimes you know you are going to wipe out so you have a chance to take some action although usually you will still take a pounding maybe not as bad. Generally speaking if you have a board cord then you want to kick the board away from you as you wipe out. The board can hit you and that can injure you so usually if I can I kick the board away from me. I have noticed lately that some surfers at pipeline jump vertically off their board. I haven't done that but I assume it is to get deep in the water and avoid getting sucked back over the falls after wiping out. If it is shallow you really don't want to do that because you may hit the bottom and other than your board the bottom is the thing most likely to injure you in a wipe out. There is one other obstacle and that is other surfers and their boards and there is not much you can do about them but try not to wipe out near other surfers. If I do I try to kick my board away from them if possible.



I haven't ever hit the bottom badly in a wipe out. This may be because of my days as a body surfer where I learned to prepare for the bottom and keep oriented so I know when I am heading that direction. Or it might possibly be due to similar reflexes that develop with years of wave riding experience. When I wipe out I automatically do things to avoid the bottom. I have had a few run ins with my board on wipe outs and I will tell you some stories about some of those. I haven't really had problems with other peoples boards when I wiped out but have been hit by others when they wiped out or got pounded going through the surf.



Once I was surfing Horners on a 6 foot day (wave faces around 10 feet). I got tubed and wiped out and when I came up my board was no where to be seen. I had a surf leash on and was thinking it must have broke. Suddenly I felt something raking across my legs and thought "Shark!" but it was my board which came shooting up between my legs. I wasn't injured much but had red marks on my legs from the skeg scratching as the board shot up.



One day at Kealia I wiped out and ended up getting hit by my board in the calf. It didn't hurt much and I didn't notice any injury so I kept on surfing. A couple waves later I was sitting on my board and noticed some green stuff floating by in the water. I didn't know what it was and caught another wave and was once again sitting on my board in the water waiting for a wave and noticed the green stuff floating by my right leg and the right side of my surfboard. I watched closely and it seemed to be coming out of my leg so I pulled my leg out of the water and looked closely and there was a little hole where the board had poked me. I squeezed my calf and blood came squirting out of the hole. Blood looks green filtered through the water, something I didn't know till then. It continued to bleed for 45 minutes after I came in.



Once I was surfing at Waikokos (the far side of Hanalei bay) which is a left making me surf with my backside to the wave. It was a real good day breaking about 4 to 6 feet (8 to 12 foot faces). I had numerous tube rides but this one wave I was in the tube a long time and the wave started to break faster than my board could go so I tried to do a little turn to speed up the board but it resulted in my head touching the lip. This rushing water from the lip just barely pushed my head over but I was unable to pull it back and gradually it kept pushing my head over and further down till I was crouched all the way down then it really grabbed my head and pulled me off my board. I had visions of my head getting slammed into the reef and actually ended up doing a shoulder roll on the reef but emerged unharmed (shoulder roll is a skill I learned in Judo classes).

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The absolutely scariest wipeout I had was at Kealia beach. I caught a wave and rode it all the way to the shore where the wave actually broke right on to the dry sand. I planned on jumping off and ending up standing on the sand but unfortunately the wave jumped up a little and flipped my board out from under my feet. I went up in the air and the board landed on the sand with the fin pointing up. I fell right on the fin. I could see that this was going to happen and tried to keep from landing too hard and I did manage not to be seriously injured but an inch one way and I would have been talking in a much higher voice and an inch the other way and I would have lost my virginity.



In the days before I started using a surf leash I had several wipe outs where I fell off the board and continued on the same wave body surfing and once I actually body surfed up to my board grabbed it and stood up finishing off the wave standing again. I had done a similar thing before a couple times when I wiped out and lost my board and caught a later wave in body surfing and body surfed right up to my board and grabbed it finishing the wave board surfing.



Also in the days before surf leashes I had an injury from a collision between me and my board when I was surfing Hanalei on an 8 foot day (12 to 15 foot faces). I saw a huge section breaking in front of me so I turned and went straight up the face of the wave. I think my board hit the lip as it cleared the top of the wave so it went airborne for a couple feet and dropped back down but I was launched 15 or more feet into the air above the top of the wave. As I dropped back down I could see I was going to come down on my board. I tried to turn my body to avoid it but in the air there is not much you can do to change your trajectory. I didn't want to land square on it so I put my feet to the side and they hit the side of the board causing damage to the board and my heel.



Wiping out is inevitable but it didn't used to bother me. Since I quit surfing and started back up again, I find myself starting to panic a little when I get held under by larger waves. It seems to be happening less and less with me and I think it may have to do with my conditioning. I used to be in great shape and now I am in mediocre shape. Really I think it has to do with being used to being out of breath. I have been hiking a couple days a week and lately I have started pushing myself so that I am out of breath and huffing and puffing for a good distance. You don't get a chance to catch your breath before you wipe out. These days I have tried to be careful to not take off on waves if I am still winded from paddling out but still paddling to catch a wave and then doing maneuvers on the wave can get you out of breath again. So when I am out of breath and under the water my mind wants oxygen. I think the hiking will help to keep me from feeling panicked under the water. However I haven't been held under by bigger waves lately so it still remains to be seen. I met a guy who had a bad wipe out. He got caught with another guys surf leash wrapped around his neck choking him. The guy kept pulling him thinking his board was stuck on the reef or something. He almost drowned and was psychologically affected and quit surfing for a while. He told me he feels panic when he gets held under too. He thinks it is related to his accident but I think maybe it is the same as me, he needs to get in better shape.



One odd thing about wiping out. Often people judge surfers by how much they wipe out. Back when I first learned to surf I surfed by myself almost always till one day my surfer friends who knew I had taken up board surfing invited me to surf with them at Kealia. I hadn't surfed at Kealia before nor in overhead waves not so much because I was afraid but I figured smaller waves are easier. On my first wave after paddling out I dropped down and overturned at the bottom because I was off balance sending me flying up to the top where I was off balance again and overturned back to the bottom, I continued to almost fall down on every turn but made it to where the wave got small and cut out. I was thinking "Whew, I hope those guys didn't see me on that wave." One of my friends paddled up to me and said "Dave I thought you said you couldn't surf?" I responded "Yeah isn't it obvious? Did you see me on that last wave?" He answered back "Yeah bra, you shredded it". I felt like I was almost falling down for the whole wave but because I didn't fall down he thought I knew how to surf.



Another example of this was when I started surfing again a very nice young Korean woman was learning how to surf at the same time I was relearning. She once told me "You are a very good surfer." I thought she was confusing me with someone else and answered "no I am not very good." But she insisted that I was a very good surfer so I said " I used to be very good but that was long ago and I am no longer very good." She responded "No. You very good. You no fall down." I didn't fall down much so I am very good.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:18 pm

I wrote this a long time ago on facebook . Maybe this will get you to describe some of your most remarkable waves.

Waves come in a variety of sizes and shapes. They vary with location but also within a location the waves change due to the direction and size and speed of the swell, the tides, and the wind and amount of sand in the area (in cases that have some sand). I thought I would list some of the types of waves that I have seen that have been remarkable.



Starting with the obvious, The Biggest Wave. The biggest wave I surfed was outside of Horners (Wailua). I have a note about it titled "Big waves at Horners." They weren't that big on the scale of big waves these days (20 feet) but probably bigger than most surfers have surfed.



Then there was the longest wave I surfed. That has to be at Pakalas on the southwest side of Kauai. I rode it from all the way outside Pakala (I hear they call that break Tigers but we used to just call it Pakala or Infinities) all the way to almost the shore. Out side was about 8 to 10 feet and inside was about 3 to 4 feet. I did all the surf maneuvers I knew multiple times and sometimes ended up just cruising trying to think of something new to try before doing another off the lip, roller coaster, cut back and stall to get tubed. My legs got a good workout just riding one wave. Fortunately the paddle back out took a long time and my legs were ready to go again by that time. I am not sure exactly how long it was but guessing around 400 to 500 yards. No question the longest wave I have ridden at least in terms of time ridding and also actual distance too. Although the big waves outside of Horners I rode all the way into the beach so that was just as long if not longer.



The fastest wave I have surfed would have to be on a particular day at Kealia when the waves were almost too fast for me to make or maybe Impossibles at Hanalei. However along with that would be a break called Anchors that breaks outside of the Kapaa library. We called it Anchors because there was an anchor on the reef that used to stick out of the water over there. It broke well at certain times and we would go check on it when there wasn't much else on the east side of Kauai. It was a very different wave from any I have ridden. It was deceptively fast and powerful for its size. You barely had time to stand up before getting tubed and actually sometimes you didn't stand up yet and were already tubed. When you came off the end of a barely overhead wave even though it might be waist high at the end you were going so fast that you could do three turns in the flat water on the back of the wave.



The most dangerous wave would have to be at Crack 14 on the east side of Kauai or Cannons at Haena. I don't like to surf dangerous waves but wanted to experience them just to say I did in my old age. LOL There is a lot of surf around and conditions get dangerous anywhere so no need to add to it (at least for me) by having a wave that is inherently dangerous.



The biggest tubes I surfed in terms of volume inside the tube would be a toss up between Horners and Pinetrees at Hanalei. Pinetrees had huge tubes for it's size probably still does but haven't surfed there in close to 40 years.



The longest tube ride I got was at Hanalei just a little past the break we called impossibles at a break toward Princeville from there. I wrote a note about it called "my longest tube ride."



The most times I have gotten tubed on a wave probably I can't recall exactly. On some waves you get quickly in and out of the tube so fast and you are working on keeping up with the wave that you don't have time to count how many times you got tubed. I think it's likely I have been tubed maybe 10 or more times on a wave but was too busy to enjoy it much. The most I can remember is 6 times on Oahu at the break called Tennis Courts. I wrote a note about that wave called "a surfing tale."



The loudest wave and the thickest lip wave I surfed was at Kealia. Waves are always noisy but you don't often notice the noise but I did on this occasion. There were two breaks that looked interesting that day. By the Landing was a large A frame peak pealing off in both directions. By the river mouth was a long right breaking wave. It started way outside with a huge hollow tube reminiscent of Pipeline which collapsed and spit then rolled into a fast breaking freight train right which seemed like it would be a real challenge to make. Then it changed into a slow rolling hollow wave that looked like it would be easily makable which gradually got faster and faster becoming another freight train right only much smaller at this point and then the final section was a nice shore break that wasn't too fast or too slow. I had surfed the A frames by the landing a few times and there was a surfer already shredding them there. I decided to go for the river mouth side and try the third to fifth section of the wave. When I got out to that part it took me a while to find a place that I could take off as the wave while slow was steadily pitching over. It was about 15 to 20 foot faces there about what we would call 8 to 10 feet. On the first wave I caught I dropped down and went into my usual slow motion zone and suddenly was shocked by an extremely loud cracking sound which made me think of a tree trunk being snapped in two. The wave had a very thick lip. It was at least a yard wide at the edge of the lip and powerful and the noise it made was similar to what I imagine a big mango tree trunk would sound like if it snapped in two. It was a very loud cracking noise. I was so scared I poured the speed on and got well away from the slow breaking lip and had to cut back which was one of the largest cutbacks I had done at the time which allowed me to get tubed briefly. I found that it was easy to make that portion of the wave but it seemed really powerful and with no one around to pick up the pieces I was careful so did not try much to get tubed although I still got tubed just barely a couple times. The next section was my specialty and I pumped the speed on and made it to the shore break and had no trouble riding that section sometimes getting completely tubed there.



The glassiest waves I rode were at Kealia and I wrote a note about them titled "Glassy waves".



Another interesting wave was a break we called Braziers because it had two peaks that shifted remarkably. It was a left breaking wave that broke over a shallow reef somewhere near Papaa bay. We used to have to go through a pineapple field to get there. The wave had 2 shifting peaks. Normally when You are lining up a wave you look for the peak above the top of the other waves coming in and paddle to meet that peak. These peaks shifted across the ocean so much if you tried to paddle to them you would be completely in the wrong place. Facing the ocean you could see the two peaks coming in from the far left and shifting across to where the break was. After a while you could determine the area to look for waves in and get set up if you see two peaks in that area. It was pretty fast and fun and only safe to surf if it was bigger since it broke in deeper water then. I heard later that everyone would go surf the right that breaks over the reef on the right of Braziers but the left always looked better to me on the few days I was there.



I guess you can tell I surfed the east side a lot and so the majority of remarkable waves are from that area. It's likely if i had surfed other areas more I would have more remarkable waves to tell about.
So what is worse.... dying or regretting it for the rest of my life? Obviously I chose not regretting it.
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby BoMan » Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:59 pm

oldmansurfer wrote:Maybe this will get you to describe some of your most remarkable waves.


My surfing life is very boring compared to yours....with one exception.

I traveled to Mendocino County to share Thanksgiving with my cousin and brought my board "just in case." As luck would have it Schooner's Gulch which normally has non existent surf was going off. Southern swell, 20 second period and 6 feet waves! Definitely out of my comfort zone. It took forever to paddle out on my longboard. I couldn't find a rip and was repeatedly beat back in the powerful conditions. After making it outside, I couldn't catch a break. Every wave closed out and broke on me before I could stand. It was exhausting! I was just about to give up when another closeout rolled right at me...only it wasn't a closeout. I paddled, got to my feet and made one glorious bottom turn before getting launched over the back of the wave. Those 5 seconds made the whole sesh worth it. :woot:
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Re: The ancient Kahunas‘ hang out?

Postby oldmansurfer » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:41 am

Here is a description of the glassy waves I rode long ago. This is a story of my first dawn patrol surf session. I hadn't tried this before (early morning surfing) but a guy I knew named Burt talked me into it the day before. I didn't know Burt well but we both surfed so we were instant comrades and he lived near to a mutual friend we both partied with. We were in the water at first light before 7 am. There was absolutely no wind and the waves were small (3 to 4 feet or 6 to 8 foot faces) overhead breaking top to bottom tubing out. It was like they were machine made, so consistent and even breaking clean glassy thin lipped waves. I hope Kelly Slater's wave pool will be able to make waves like those some time. They were great waves and we both got tubed on every single wave. I took off and got deeply tubed on every wave and then either came out of the end of the wave or it collapsed on me. When it collapsed on me I usually managed to stay on my board and either continue on or cut out because the waves were so thin lipped they lacked the power to knock me off easily.

Burt told me to look at the shore while in the tube and I did. The lips were so thin and clean I could clearly see the shoreline from in the tube. It was just like looking through a window with almost no distortion. Burt wanted to know if you could see a surfer through the lip so he went to the beach for a wave or two to watch me. He came back out and said he could and told me to go check it out. I looked at the perfect waves coming in and thought about not riding them. Burt said " The waves not going anywhere. Going still be breaking when you come back out." So reluctantly I paddled in ran up on the beach and watched. On the first wave Burt wiped out and I started getting nervous watching all those beautiful tubes coming in unridden. I was thinking "I could be on that wave.....or that one....or that one!!!!" Burt wiped out again and again I saw the unridden perfection coming in. I yelled to him "Catch a wave already." He wiped out again. I yelled to him "that's it, I'm going back out." He yelled back "I going catch the next one....Promise!!" So I waited and was driven nearly crazy by the thought of all those waves going unridden. Finally he caught and rode a wave and it was amazing how well you could see him through the wave. It was like looking through a window in someones house. However I couldn't stand it anymore so I scrambled back into the perfection. I asked Burt later and he said he was trying to drop his shorts and moon me through the wave and that's why he was falling. On the first wave he had undone his tie and his shorts went right to his feet when he tried to stand and wiped out and almost lost them. The next time he tried to untie them and wiped out and after that he was worried about wiping out and so he did. Crazy guy LOL

After numerous waves it was the same thing over and over so I tried different things. The waves were so weak that I figured maybe I could do some different things that I wouldn't be able to on normal waves. First I tried sticking my hand out through the lip and that was easily accomplished although I couldn't hold it there for longer than 5 seconds because my arms weren't strong enough. I figured that probably I could punch through the lip or go from in the tube through the lip to outside of the wave. The first couple attempts I fell but only after getting out of the wave. I figured I fell because the wave was hitting the tail of my board after I went through the lip and bouncing me off so I made a stronger turn to the outside so I cleared the lip and was successful. Then I tried to go back into the wave. I fell again but after a few attempts I did it, Went from being tubed to punching through the tube to the outside and then punching back into the tube through the lip. But I told Burt what I was doing and he wanted to go watch me from the beach and of course I wiped out several times in a row attmepting to go from in the tube to out to back in again. After that I tried to ride with the lip hitting me on the head so that I was half way in and half way out. When you are on a wave and the lip hits you constantly if you get even slightly off balance the constant force of the wave pushes you more and more out of balance till you fall. I kept trying till I made a wave for the whole distance with the lip hitting me on the head. I had hoped to get one eye in the tube and one out but the lip was just a little too thick for that or I just couldn't adjust my head right but it was close to that thickness. Just a small movement of my head switched from one eye being covered in water and the other free to look.

I never saw conditions like that again but maybe because I didn't make dawn patrol a habit. You always hear surfers talk about how glassy the waves but on Kauai it's rare to get waves like those. They were actually clear as glass and so thin lipped. I am sure I have never seen waves that size with that thin of a lip. What are the conditions that make waves like that?
So what is worse.... dying or regretting it for the rest of my life? Obviously I chose not regretting it.
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