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Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 7:22 amby JWhite
Hey guys
I'm and intermediate surfer weigh 56kgs but am quite tall for my weight 5,10 and am looking for a new board but and am liking the look of the DX1 by DHD. My current board is a JS Blak Box 2 5,10, 19 3/4 28.7 litres, and the DHD in 5,10 comes in at 26.5 litres. I am wondering if i will find it hard to paddle into waves on this board or if it will be easier or much the same. Any advice on weather I should buy the board or if i can paddle something with that amount of volume would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jasper
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 9:32 amby dtc
Volume is only one element to your question and not even the most important. What about rocker, foam placement/outline, fin placement, nose width and bottom contours, weight of board, foam density?
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 9:41 amby JWhite
dtc wrote:Volume is only one element to your question and not even the most important. What about rocker, foam placement/outline, fin placement, nose width and bottom contours, weight of board, foam density?
This is true, however I have already know that I can use the board in the 28 litre 5,10 model but I don't know how I would find the 26 litre 5,10 model. Thank you for your advice though I appreciate it
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 9:57 amby icetime
If it's exactly the same shape and just less volume then it should have thinners rails from what I understand, so I guess you'll have sharper turns?
But for what I know about volume is that, it'll take you more effort for the same results as the other board, more paddling, more work on your muscles, so you'll get tired quickly for a few sessions but you'll get use to it., other than that there shouldn't be too much of a difference, except it's a bit lighter on the wave.
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 10:40 amby dtc
JWhite wrote:dtc wrote:Volume is only one element to your question and not even the most important. What about rocker, foam placement/outline, fin placement, nose width and bottom contours, weight of board, foam density?
This is true, however I have already know that I can use the board in the 28 litre 5,10 model but I don't know how I would find the 26 litre 5,10 model. Thank you for your advice though I appreciate it
But aren't they two different boards? They aren't exactly the same, you said one was the DX1 and your current board is the blak box. So there must be differences in rocker or outline or something. The blak box is quite a bit wider, for example. So you can't say the only difference is volume.
So what does the DX1 offer that the blak box doesn't? Why do you want to change?
Gary Lopez says 'don't surf the smallest board you can, surf the smallest board that allows you to do what you want'. Not usually the same thing
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 10:49 amby JWhite
dtc wrote:JWhite wrote:dtc wrote:Volume is only one element to your question and not even the most important. What about rocker, foam placement/outline, fin placement, nose width and bottom contours, weight of board, foam density?
This is true, however I have already know that I can use the board in the 28 litre 5,10 model but I don't know how I would find the 26 litre 5,10 model. Thank you for your advice though I appreciate it
But aren't they two different boards? They aren't exactly the same, you said one was the DX1 and your current board is the blak box. So there must be differences in rocker or outline or something. The blak box is quite a bit wider, for example. So you can't say the only difference is volume.
So what does the DX1 offer that the blak box doesn't? Why do you want to change?
Gary Lopez says 'don't surf the smallest board you can, surf the smallest board that allows you to do what you want'. Not usually the same thing
I was meaning to reference the beefed up DX1 model, the reason why I want to change from the blak box is because its too wide for me and I find its hard to turn and throw around.
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 11:34 amby dtc
I guess if you want a thinner board, you either have to go longer or thicker to retain the same volume. If you dont, of course the volume will be less.
anyway, I think you have already decided that you want a new board and thats totally fine. Whether the DX1 is the board for you I dont think anyone can say. It does look like it has a bit more rocker, which will make it marginally harder to paddle; but unless you are having problems in that area with the blak box I wouldnt worry about it. For good paddlers confident on these sized boards, my view is that the minor volume issues manifest themselves after you stand up, not before you stand up. In other words, no one every went from surfing a 27L board well to surfing a 26L board and complained they no longer could paddle it or catch waves.
All you can do is buy it and try. Thats why most surfers own 8 boards at any one time and buy and sell other boards all the time. I would think the thinner DX1 probably requires bigger/more powerful waves than the standard (or bigger) DX1. But I could throw a pile of other boards around the same size at you and any of them could be as good, or not - eg the Monsta Box (thinner more rocker but same volume).
(why are boards all in imperial measurements and volume is in metric)?
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Sun May 29, 2016 12:01 pmby waikikikichan
What does the maker's Volume Calculator recommend you should get ?
By "throw around", do you mean basic cutbacks or advanced air reverses ?
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 1:43 amby Tudeo
dtc wrote:Thats why most surfers own 8 boards at any one time
Spot on!
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 2:16 amby drowningbitbybit
JWhite wrote:Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
I'm going to go for a simpler answer than those given so far...
...Yes.
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 5:22 amby dtc
drowningbitbybit wrote:JWhite wrote:Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
I'm going to go for a simpler answer than those given so far...
...Yes.
As a photographer I think you are taking the 'a picture tells a 1000 words' thing a bit too far...
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 8:50 amby JWhite
dtc wrote:I guess if you want a thinner board, you either have to go longer or thicker to retain the same volume. If you dont, of course the volume will be less.
anyway, I think you have already decided that you want a new board and thats totally fine. Whether the DX1 is the board for you I dont think anyone can say. It does look like it has a bit more rocker, which will make it marginally harder to paddle; but unless you are having problems in that area with the blak box I wouldnt worry about it. For good paddlers confident on these sized boards, my view is that the minor volume issues manifest themselves after you stand up, not before you stand up. In other words, no one every went from surfing a 27L board well to surfing a 26L board and complained they no longer could paddle it or catch waves.
All you can do is buy it and try. Thats why most surfers own 8 boards at any one time and buy and sell other boards all the time. I would think the thinner DX1 probably requires bigger/more powerful waves than the standard (or bigger) DX1. But I could throw a pile of other boards around the same size at you and any of them could be as good, or not - eg the Monsta Box (thinner more rocker but same volume).
Thank you for the advice, I wish buying and trying would be easy for me but unfortunately as a student owning 8 boards in a market were boards cost a lot to produce, even overseas. Then sell for inflated prices it would set me back about 10 grand haha.
(why are boards all in imperial measurements and volume is in metric)?
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 8:51 amby JWhite
waikikikichan wrote:What does the maker's Volume Calculator recommend you should get ?
By "throw around", do you mean basic cutbacks or advanced air reverses ?
I wish i could do airs but no, cutbacks and snaps n stuff.
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 8:53 amby JWhite
drowningbitbybit wrote:JWhite wrote:Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
I'm going to go for a simpler answer than those given so far...
...Yes.
Its nice to get a simple answer, Thank you
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Mon May 30, 2016 10:56 amby waikikikichan
JWhite wrote:I wish i could do airs but no, cutbacks and snaps n stuff.
Instead of buying a new board, why don't you try changing out the fins to change how your board performs? Fins can make a huge difference. What are the fins on your current board?
Re: Can I surf 26.5 litres coming from a 28.7 litre board?
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Tue May 31, 2016 8:31 amby JWhite
waikikikichan wrote:JWhite wrote:I wish i could do airs but no, cutbacks and snaps n stuff.
Instead of buying a new board, why don't you try changing out the fins to change how your board performs? Fins can make a huge difference. What are the fins on your current board?
After talking to guys in surf shops we are pretty sure that its the width thats giving me issues. Because the fins I have in are the second generation KS performers that are pretty loose fins. Today after much deliberation I ended up putting a DX1 on lay by.
Thanks