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What is surfboard foam?

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:56 am
by Dec
Urgh! I have been searching and searching, because I can't buy blanks here, for some surfboard foam.
I really don't know exactly what I am searching for though. I've looked at some sites and they say that it's EPS, some say just high density foam (doesn't specify what type..grr), and others have mentioned divinycell.
Kitey, Tomcat, Deathfrog..whoever...help!

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:04 pm
by Dec
ooh...i've just foud polyurethane. Ring anybells?

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:14 pm
by Jimi
Traditional boards are made from polyurethane foam (it's an isocyanate curing foam containing Toluene among other things).
It was invented in the 60s by Clark (of clark blanks) and Hobie (same name as the surf catamarans). Shortly after it's development, it replaced Balsa as the favoured material for shaping.
There are new types of foam out there, but if you want to buy a blank, you're looking for closed cell polyurethane foam.
Typically you'd use polyester resin and fibreglass woven roving to coat your blank, to give a "typical" surfboard.
If you are in an area where exotic materials are available, you can use epoxy resin instead of polyester, to give a stronger, stiffer and more durable shell, while keeping the weight the same as in a polyester lay up.
Finally, in my pipedreams, i'd love to make a composite board, using a normal blank, but instead of using fibreglass woven roving, I'd try a shell of carbon fibre (the workmanship is almost identical for carbon fibre as for fibreglass) using epoxy resin.

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:21 pm
by FishKid Wales
Im sure black and white made a (or still make) a carbon fibre (with kevlar woven in) board.
Re: What is surfboard foam?

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:22 pm
by Jimi
Dec wrote:I really don't know exactly what I am searching for though. I've looked at some sites and they say that it's EPS, some say just high density foam (doesn't specify what type..grr), and others have mentioned divinycell.
divinycell is a boatbuilding foam, and I assume it would be as good as or better than polyurethane. EPS is used in some temperature insulation roles, and in some surfboards, and gives much better flex properties than polyurethane.
You may also come across Klegecell (maybe) They make a bunch of foams for boatbuilding similar to divinycell.
All of these are more costly to produce than polyurethane foam, but might be cheaper if you can't get polyurethane. The boatbuilding-type foams are designed not to flex greatly and are easy to sand into shape.
I don't know about EPS for sanding.

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:23 pm
by Jimi
FishKid Wales wrote:Im sure black and white made a (or still make) a carbon fibre (with kevlar woven in) board.
do you know if it was any good?

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:52 pm
by northswell
Hi Dec, When i shaped my own board I got all the stuff i needed from here. They have agents in South Africa and US
http://www.homeblown.co.uk/

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:56 pm
by Dec
shame they won't ship to thailand?!
I am hoping that when some relatives come over from australia they will bring some.
I am fairly short in cash because of buisness and ____head partners, so i can't afford a ton to ship it and stuff.

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:08 pm
by northswell
Maybe not but on the site it tells you about the composistion of the foam that they use so you'll know what your hunting for.

Posted:
Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:34 pm
by tomcat360
Traditionally, they used polyurethane foam (exactly like jman said), but lots of people are doing EPS now, which is attainable pretty much anywhere.
But I didn't really like shaping EPS, it's really chunky.
Re: What is surfboard foam?

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:53 am
by goatboy
I know Seabase ship worldwide and they use US Blanks surfboard foam
http://www.seabase.eu/products/cat/Blanks/ - this is what I have in my bookmarks for them. They used to sell Clark Foam when that was going. So far I've had a good service for overseas shipping and the surfboard blanks have always held up well so I'd rate the US Blanks foam - its good stuff.
Re: What is surfboard foam?

Posted:
Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:41 am
by kitesurfer
This has to be a record! Someone resurrecting a 3 year old thread!
KS
Re: What is surfboard foam?

Posted:
Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:19 pm
by naniekso
i dont mean to spam, but i heard some surfers talking the other day and went to check it out.
try
http://www.usblanks.comand here is a guide im reading right now acctually.
http://www.usblanks.com/pdf/US.Blanks.P ... y.2009.pdfi'm looking to make one myself someday lol.
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Posted:
Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:02 am
by Roy Stewart
Jimi wrote:
Traditional boards are made from polyurethane foam (it's an isocyanate curing foam containing Toluene among other things).
Traditional boards are made from wood.
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Re: Re:

Posted:
Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:45 pm
by esonscar
RoyStewart wrote:Jimi wrote:
Traditional boards are made from polyurethane foam (it's an isocyanate curing foam containing Toluene among other things).
Traditional boards are made from wood.
.
I agree Roy - but what made then moisture proof ? ..... ( I am ill uninformed !)
[ edits for grammer - in a one liner - dang ! ]
Re: Re:

Posted:
Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:51 pm
by esonscar
esonscar wrote:RoyStewart wrote:Jimi wrote:
Traditional boards are made from polyurethane foam (it's an isocyanate curing foam containing Toluene among other things).
Traditional boards are made from wood.
.
I agree Roy - but what made them moisture proof ? ..... ( I am ill informed !)
[ edits for grammer - in a one liner - dang ! ]
[ another edit - 'ill' replaced the 'un'. This is such a bad reply - I am ashamed !! OMG !! ].
Re: What is surfboard foam?

Posted:
Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:49 am
by Real Pol
You're brining the site down from its usual high-brow stature Esonscar!
Hang your head, hang your head.
