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A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:32 pm

Hey there,

Long time lurker, first time poster. Apologies in advance for the long post!

I started surfing again about 4-5 months ago (24 years old) after an 8 year hiatus. I was never at a great standard as a kid so I wasn't far off being a complete beginner when I restarted. I normally surf 2-3 times on the weekend as I'm in the military and live away from home during the week.

However, there is a break about an hour and a half (in North Devon) from my base and I'd like a board that I could throw in my car for the 120 mile trip between home and the base so I can surf in the week. Size is an issue as it needs to fit inside my car and not take up too much room in my barrack block. Ideally looking for a board 7 foot or under. I'll only be making the trip if the surf is good enough to warrant it, so if it's mushy and less than 3 foot I won't be heading out.

Currently riding a 9'3 Strive Cruzer (http://strivesurfboards.com/boards/the-cruzer/) at home and I'm popping up consistently and riding down the line.

I'm 6 foot and 90kg/200lbs and athletic and I'd like to get into shortboarding eventually, so it would be great to hear your guys advice and your great surfing wisdom :D

Currently thinking maybe a hybrid or a long shortboard.

Cheers in advance!

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- Male, 6 foot, 90kg/200lbs
-Need second board under 7 foot
-Beginner/Intermediate....ish
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby waikikikichan » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:59 pm

Number 1 outline is okay, but a bit too narrow. Number 2 is way too gunny. Get something with a more fuller nose, doesn't have to be totally rounded. Width over 21" and thickness closer to 3". Some boards I found. 7S Superfish 7'0" NSP Fish 7'0". Since you'll be storing it in a locker, I recommend a molded-epoxy since pu/pe boards will get a lot of shatters. Also if you get a fish/hybrid with a swallow tail, you may want to store it upside down on it's nose with a pad underneath.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:06 pm

waikikikichan wrote:Can't view number 1 and 2 boards. But number 3 is way too gunny. Get something with a more fuller nose, doesn't have to be totally rounded. Width over 21" and thickness closer to 3". Some boards I found. 7S Superfish 7'0" NSP Fish 7'0". Since you'll be storing it in a locker, I recommend a molded-epoxy since pu/pe boards will get a lot of shatters. Also if you get a fish/hybrid with a swallow tail, you may want to store it upside down on it's nose with a pad underneath.


Cheers for the reply, I've updated the links so hopefully they should work now.

I see what you're saying with number 3 being too gunny.

Those look good, not really got the funds to justify buying new so I'll have to wait to see if anything like that comes up.

Something like this more suitable?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231626556571? ... EBIDX%3AIT

Not quite the dimensions you recommended, but something in this vain?

As for storage, it won't actually be in a locker as they're pretty lenient with storage here, so I'm fairly confident pu/pe should hold up. The size is more to do with the car issue.

Cheers for the help!
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby Big H » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:44 pm

It isn't what you want, not sexy or shortboardy but is plenty short enough and more of what you actually need, trust me.....


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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:08 pm

Big H wrote:It isn't what you want, not sexy or shortboardy but is plenty short enough and more of what you actually need, trust me.....


http://www.gumtree.com/p/surfboards-win ... 1126367116


I've honestly got no problem with the look of the board, I'd rather look like a kook on land and ride like a kook in the water but be progressing, than look like a pro on land and ride like a kook in the water and be getting nowhere.

However, 7'3 is 3 inches longer than what would be ideal in terms of transport/storage, but I would obviously look at ways to accommodate this if it would be benefiting me in the long run.

Also, I've heard bad things about the pop outs like Bics, NSPs and Cortez etc. and am consistently warned away, any thoughts on this?

It's not like I'm trying to jump straight onto a short board here, I've got my 9'3 which will still be my primary board, but I'm after something convenient i.e. under 7 foot, that I'm going to be able to use once, maybe twice mid week, to get me some extra water time on top of my longboard time at the weekends.

Cheers for the input though, much appreciated, and I will definitely price up some of their shorter boards.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby Big H » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:23 pm

I don't think you will be satisfied until you buy a shorter board....so you should, or at least rent one.....I was the same way.....didn't really listen or believe until I found out how hard it was to develop timing, front/back foot balance, good fundamental habits if just getting to my feet was an accomplishment.......you will appreciate your 9'3" more that's for sure.....

Up to you....I've got 2 surftech boards and a south point which is made in the NSP factory along with some PU boards.....I like the epoxy boards better, they are more durable, can be surfed thinner than corresponding PU boards which for a guy my size is a plus for sure.....all three are wave catchers, largely in part to their weight to float ratios I think......I'll leave the debate for others but the main thing that I've ever heard was that the feels were different so I figured that if I got in on the ground floor so to speak then I wouldn't fuss about feels since I'd have cut my teeth on the epoxys in the first place......
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby Big H » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:25 pm

Best advice I can think of......get a roof rack, bring your 9'3" to the base with you and ride the heck out of that for now. :lol:
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:37 pm

Haha, cheers for the replies.

I'd consider the roof rack (I've got a soft one for at home) but 240 mile round trip back and fore base and 180 mile round trip to the beach, it just isn't something I want to do haha. Putting it on the roof for a 10 minute trip to the beach at home is bad enough! Plus I don't think the lads I live with would be too thrilled about a 9'3 log laying across the room.

I know what you're saying about size though, was talked into buying an 8 footer (pop out, pure longboard shape) by someone I thought knew what they were on about about 6 months ago and sold it on soon afterwards to get the 9'3 so I totally agree that size is everything when learning. But it's either surf something smaller during the week or don't surf at all and even if it only improves my paddle fitness or reading of the waves then surely that's of more benefit than nothing?

Cheers for taking the time to get involved anyway
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby drowningbitbybit » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:50 pm

amphibuman wrote:Also, I've heard bad things about the pop outs like Bics, NSPs and Cortez etc. and am consistently warned away, any thoughts on this?

You'll usually hear bad things about pop-outs from guys carrying 6'0 shortboards that they can't surf :?

The big-brand pop-outs are not the most sophisticated high-performance boards in the world, but that's because they're not supposed to be. They're perfect for newbies (or indeed more experienced surfers) and are hard as nails. Sure, they're not the coolest board in the line-up, but as you said - better to be ripping on a kook's board than catching nothing on a pro's board.

The quality of pop-outs does vary, but the well-known manufacturers such as BIC and NSP are perfectly reliable.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby waikikikichan » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:49 am

May I ask what bad things you have heard about pop-outs ? Just to make it clear, instead of just rumors and such. The quality, the ride, the coolness factor, the flex-stiffness, the lightness ? And yes, all molded epoxy boards are not made the same.

That Corona board is probably over 10 years old. The foam has yellowed and maybe "soft". While the glassing has become brittle. Not to mention the wood stringer may have lost it's pop. I normally don't recommend swallow tails made from Pu/Pe cause they crack so easily. Molded-epoxy no worries.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby Big H » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:22 am

drowningbitbybit wrote:
amphibuman wrote:Also, I've heard bad things about the pop outs like Bics, NSPs and Cortez etc. and am consistently warned away, any thoughts on this?

You'll usually hear bad things about pop-outs from guys carrying 6'0 shortboards that they can't surf


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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby dtc » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:53 am

drowningbitbybit wrote:The big-brand pop-outs are not the most sophisticated high-performance boards in the world, but that's because they're not supposed to be. They're perfect for newbies (or indeed more experienced surfers) and are hard as nails. Sure, they're not the coolest board in the line-up, but as you said - better to be ripping on a kook's board than catching nothing on a pro's board.

The quality of pop-outs does vary, but the well-known manufacturers such as BIC and NSP are perfectly reliable.


Its probably true that when 'pop outs' emerged 15 years or so ago, they weren't always the best quality. They were using a fairly new manufacturing process and materials and things sometimes didn't work out. Nowadays they are much more sophisticated - for sure there are boards made to a price with limited quality control, but you can plug designs into a machine and have the boards come out just as designed, so even for these cheap ones its not so much the design or shape that is a problem anymore, its just the quality of materials. Still, there is a reason why 'good' surfers don't surf these cheap boards and its not because of their reputation, its because their designs are pretty basic. They do the job well for a beginners

I suggest, as others have, that you stick with a 'fun board' (mini mal) rather than a hybrid for now. Hybrids are harder to surf, less stable and you are a fairly big guy. The problem you might have is finding one that is 7ft - a lot of boards are 7ft2 and then the next size down is 6-10 or 6-8

Anyway, a few people have a Torq funboard and rate them highly - do a search on the forum. They are pretty cheap, relatively speaking of course - if you can squish in the 7-2 then that is solid choice. NSPs are also excellent nowdays, but a bit more expensive.

A great board for you would be the 6-10 walden mini mega magic, but they are very expensive for an off the rack board. A board I know nothing about other than what I have read on its (as usual self promoting) website, but which could be a good board for you (now and given your future intentions) is the Maluku Flying Frog. Still not the cheapest - for those prices you can probably get a custom build. Or take a punt on something like this http://www.gumtree.com/p/surfboards-win ... 1124816227 (ok, based on my extremely rudimentary knowledge of UK geography, that may not be particularly close to you)

If you did want to go more hybrid, then the usual recommendations are the 7S fish or the firewire Addvance (the 6-10 is probably pretty good) or something that looks like one of those boards - there are many.

in any case, I would stick with a board that is at least 21 inches wide and probably 2 3/4 inches thick and, of course, as long as possible.

You may only surf this board for 12 - 18 months because wanting something shorter or narrower or just different; but it is a vital 12 - 18 months and trying to skip this step by going shorter or narrower today isn't a quicker way to achieve your shortboarding goal. Its like going from year 7 maths to year 10 (or first form to 4thform in UK talk...). Eventually you might understand it, but it may prove to be too hard without an awful lot of work; or it may take you a lot longer to learn than if you just learnt slowly but steadily.

Then again, you may realise you love mid lengths and stay with them forever.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:35 pm

That's a great reply cheers dtc, The Walden would be ideal but it a bit too pricey new and can't seem to find any second handers. Yeah that 7 footer would be perfect but unfortunately it's over 200 miles away.

I'll definitely keep those dimensions in mind while I keep looking. The main reason I said a hybrid/fish was because most minimals seem to be over 7 foot and it really is going to be a stretch to fit my mates board, my board, 2 sets of kit and the 2 of us in to the car. 7 foot may be too long even, I need to get some measuring done.

As for first form and fourth form, I've always used Years 7, 8, 9 etc. so I think that might be an older generation thing haha.

Regarding pop outs, I will admit that some of the people who have warned me away have owned shortboards that they can't use haha, but some of it has been from people who have had issues with the fins coming out on new boards, some of the hardware breaking down/degrading quickly and the general corkiness of them not being like 'real' surfboards.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby drowningbitbybit » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:13 pm

amphibuman wrote:people who have had issues with the fins coming out on new boards,

They didn't put the fins in properly.

amphibuman wrote:some of the hardware breaking down/degrading quickly

Simply untrue. "Plastic pop-outs" will last a whole lot longer than a standard fibreglass board.

amphibuman wrote:general corkiness of them not being like 'real' surfboards.

By the time 'corkiness' becomes a problem, the board will be a long forgotten memory. At this point, for you, 'corkiness' is the same as float, and that makes paddling and catching waves easier.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby waikikikichan » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:15 pm

amphibuman wrote:Regarding pop outs, I will admit that some of the people who have warned me away have owned shortboards that they can't use haha, but some of it has been from people who have had issues with the fins coming out on new boards, some of the hardware breaking down/degrading quickly and the general corkiness of them not being like 'real' surfboards.


Fins coming out ? - most if not the majority of "pop outs" use standard center box, FCS or Futures side plugs. Seems to me User Error when they got their first board which happen to be a pop out, and they didn't know how to install them. ( or they belly rode into the shore )

Hardware breaking down ? - take a hammer to a PU/PE board, then do the same to a Molded-epoxy pop out. I do agree some of the pop outs have paint chipping, but that's easier to find where those are compared to glass shatters you don't find until they start to yellow

"General corkiness of them not being like 'real' surfboards" ? Yeah, and "they don't do well on windy days and the flex is strange". Funny those are the exact same things said about Pu/Pe fiberglass board in the 1950's when everyone was riding wood boards at the time.

Next time you go golf, try showing up with a real wood driver instead of a carbon shaft alloy head. Or go play tennis with a wood racket. Isn't that more "real" than the new high-modulus kevlar/carbon weave epoxy rackets ?

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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby oldmansurfer » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:48 pm

waikikikichan wrote:Fins coming out ? - most if not the majority of "pop outs" use standard center box, FCS or Futures side plugs. Seems to me User Error when they got their first board which happen to be a pop out, and they didn't know how to install them. ( or they belly rode into the shore )

Ha! Yeah I see newbies doing that all the time. Riding the board to the shore and jumping off on the dry sand.
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:58 pm

OK cool, I'll rethink the pop outs then. Question regarding the epoxy though, my mate has got a 9 foot epoxy custom (maybe the surftech/tuflite stuff?) is that the same or similar to how a pop out might feel? Because I really do enjoy using that board.

Did a measure up yesterday and to my pleasant surprise found I could squash another 8 footer in with my mates board so looking for something in that range now instead.

Locally/on my route home, I've found these 3:

http://www.gumtree.com/p/surfboards-win ... 1126482368

http://www.gumtree.com/p/surfboards-win ... 1126509195

http://www.secondhandboards.com/search. ... l&id=14919

http://www.gumtree.com/p/surfboards-win ... 1125172710

The Roger Cooper seems like the best deal to me, being from a local shaper and only 20 quid more than the pop out and longer. And the 7'10 pop out is about £30 worth of petrol out of the way making it more like £250.

Thoughts?
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby amphibuman » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:26 pm

Sorry, I'm not very good at this internetting, I found 4, but the 4th (the 7'10 Surf Series) has been sold now anyway
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Re: A bit of advice for buying a second surfboard

Postby benjl » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:14 am

Just a quick 2c from me, i've got a torq 7'2 and it is probably the only board i've had nothing but good times on (and i've owned and tried epoxies, long, short, fish etc).
Easily enough performance in waves over your head, stable, super easy wave catching / paddling and ridiculously durable.
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Get one :)
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