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Anyone got some decent knowledge on these?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Aviso-Carbon-Fib ... dZViewItem

Interested but Need to justify the cost....

These boards have a hollow centre which is the main aspect which needs to be adpated to.
By the looks of the figures taken from their website "Average 6-7 X stronger than P.U. boards, 2.5 X compression ding resistant and 12X rail strength", i'd say it would be a good long-lasting buy.

I have read and heard from some guys in my area that have tried them that they work pretty well and have a good amount of flex so as to feel pretty naturaul when you ride them.

I wouldn't get one myself. Hollow core means they surf differently to normal boards so unless you have tried one you may not like it.
I like the idea of boards costing less but wearing out so I can try out all the new shapes and ideas.
Also you don't see loads of them on the ASP and those guys can use whatever they want, in fact they almost use the oposite in boards - really light but fragile, thinly glassed boards that bust easily, I suppose to keep the designs moving forwards.

i wouldnt mind one in my quiver but theres no way i could talk myself into spending that much cash on a board.

Even if it lasts much longer i can still get 3 Custom made boards for the price.

Think ill stick to custom boards

you can get 2-3 boards with the money, that's just way too much for a board...

I've heard people talking about carbon fibre boards before- are they always very expensive? Can you only get popouts made of the stuff?

luckyduck wrote:I've heard people talking about carbon fibre boards before- are they always very expensive? Can you only get popouts made of the stuff?

Yeah they are expensive.. like 1100+ at least for a new.
They sorta shape it, but it is usually a popout from previous succesful model from the shapers.

All CF boards I have heard of are supposed to be light, strong... And stiff as two bottles of viagra.

They do still ding too, but not as easily as PU/PE. I guess they could be a bugger to repair

Fine for a beginner or maybe even some intermediates. But except in glassy conditions more advanced surfers will probably want something with a bit more flex.

All second-hand guys. Haven't tried one.

-doug
Compsand.com - The Composite Surfboard Cooperative!

Yeah...
Price is a joke and Im after a more advanced level board .... Just curious about the Aviso.
Im actually talking with Sunova instead.

Carbon fiber boards aren't necessarily stiff. Depending on the orientation of the fibers/weave, number of layers/thickness etc they can have different flex characteristics. While it's true that carbon is often used to stiffen (and lighten) things up, it's not always that way. Racing bicycle forks, snowboards & windsurf masts are made of carbon - these items have to flex to be of any use!

So I wouldn't say it qualifies as a beginner's board, at least not because of the construction. Why make an expensive beginner board anyway? But I'm pretty sure it rides different than a "normal" board - better or worse I wouldn't know.

The high prices are down to material (carbon is much more expensive than fiberglass) and production costs (hollow sounds expensive).

In terms of strength, carbon in general is fragile. My guess is that an epoxy board would be stronger, however I'm not familiar with the Aviso construction, so can't really say.

Just repeating what I have heard from those who have ridden them. I guess a hollow construction that can withstand an upright human and going over the falls on a biggish days will tend to be stiff.

My (possibly faulted) understanding of composite sandwich (aka comspand) construction suggests that a lot of this is because of the amount of carbon fiber in the high diameter rails (high diameter when compared to bicycle forks, for example). Affectionately referred to as the pipe effect.

Oh yeah, didn't mean a beginners board in terms of price or construction. Just from ride reports I have heard (i.e., heresay). Things could easily be quite different in some construction, I guess.

Innerestin...


-doug

It sounds like carbon fiber technology in surfboards is still in its infancy r R&D stage. I wonder if the designers will eventually figure out how to make them advantagious for the advanced and pro surfer. If its lighter, could new areal tricks be invented that could never possibly be performed on a glassed board? If not, I'm guessing it will just be a trial and error fad of the 1st decade in the 2000's.

I have two Aviso boards and have surfed them most of the time in the last 3 or so months, 2-3 times a week. They are: DVS 5'10" Rocket Fish and DVS 6' 1" Double Flyer. I also own a number of Firewire and an Al Merrick Channel Islands PU board.

The boards ride as beautifully as they look. They have a noticable amount of flex which I love, much like my Firewires: Flexfire 6'3" and Dominator 5'10". I do not find Aviso boards corky at all. For those in doubt, please grab a demo board and see it for yourself.

The built quality is impeccable. Smooth, flush all over, feeling reassuringly solid and well made.

As for the strength, I have not acquired one ding, indentation, scratch, name it what you wish, whatsoever. Keep looking though!

My message would be - Get one, try it first and then decide. And don't worry about the price. These boards are likely to last at least 3-4 times longer than an ordinary PU board.

I look forward to seeing more posts from people who actually own or have used these boards, providing more credible info for the surfers genuinly interested in trying new technologies.

I build my own carbon boards - I have the registered trademark now - just need to save for the design rights - then ooohhh - lookout you lot ! (I can't say any more just yet !) Aviso - pppfft ! lol !

At the end of the day the pros on tour don't ride any new fangled technologies, apart from a few like Taj Burrow (Firewire) but lets face it he isn't getting 'off the rack boards' like you and me! The problem with these new technologies is they're all hype and not tested to any great degree, simply released to the knowledgeless public to get your money. I learned the hard way, I have 2 Firewire's and they are badly finished, not great to surf and while more durable beware if you have any problems other than a little ding on the rails. One of my board's has a large area of delamination on the deck and the local board repairer won't even entertain fixing it. This is because eps foam has gas coming out of it (hence the valves in firewires) so the board needs to be first sealed (all firewire's are painted deck and bottom, top to tail) then vaccum packed to make sure the resin and cloth bonds to the board properly! So I now have a firewire lying under my bed which I don't have the equipment or knowhow to fix, well worth the extra cash NOT! As for Aviso's, carbon fibre is obviously a very tough material (used on the body of formula 1 cars and bicycle forks/frames to name a few uses) but it does over time fatigue and knowing how much pressure a surfboard deck is put under, how long will you get for your £1,000+??? Again repair jobs are gonna be a bitch as carbon fibre is reportedly a bitch to work with, not readily available and expensive as hell! You won't get a solar rez carbon fibre repair kit down your local surf shop!! So new technology IS more durable but if you have any problems prepare to fork out the cost of a new PU board to fix them! Support your local shaper and forget the money grubbing weasels' imports!!

Support your local shaper and forget the money grubbing weasels' imports!!

perfectly put

As for the whole "they last longer argument" its laughable. With a $1100 you can go to most local shapers and score yourself roughly 2/3 custom boards. Thats 2/3 different shapes so maybe a shortboard, fish, and possibly a mini gun. mmmm a quiver of boards geared up for entirely different VS one very expensive board that is not as versatile as quiver , harder to fix and untested on the pro circuit so to say. CMON it's common sense.

your never change people they all seem too think that these mass made boards are better than having a custom made that is right for you. its just mad lol but it shows that the adverts the big company's are putting out are brain washing them lol and working big time. we neeed too get the support your local sharper way of thinking out there or there will not be any left in the furture which would suck big big time

LOL! And boards every bit as durable can be built for about the same cost as poly boards any way.