Is it possible to surf with 2 fins on a three fin board?

[OlegLupusov]

I don't argue my fault. I know rules and follow them to the best of my abilities. And frankly speaking the rules favor me as a longboarder.
And it is advisable to follow the rules. No objections here.

My point is pretty simple. Very often advanced surfers cause the accidents because of having a priority with a real possibility of avoiding the accident. Sometimes, it could be unavoidable.
But not always. Saw it many times. The surfer does see the other one paddling to drop in on him but does not try to avoid the accident until it is too late.
This point of "too late" does not make the accident unavoidable. The advanced surfer has the opportunity to react earlier. Just chooses not to... Until it is too late.

I don't understand why u don't see. It sounds like a common knowledge for me.

Too many surfers are eager to risk the accident and are reluctant to lose their wave. Being right under the rules does not always being innocent. That's it.

For the adepts of traffic analogies, jay walking does not allow drivers to kill the pedestrians.

[waikikikichan]

As for the board repair, I would recommend filling the void with high-density EPS foam from one of your destroyed boards. Then use pieces of poly foam ( like the deck material ) cut to fit the gap in the skin. Bond that down and on the sides.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but this is the last advice I will give you. That is until you " get it ". Your mind set is the very type of surfer I try to avoid. I will not try to reason with those that seem to know it all yet are just starting out and not listening to advice from those more experienced. I hope you do become a good surfer one day and look back on these posts and say " wow, did I really say that ?"! Good luck in your surfing journey. I look forward to helping you in the future.

[oldmansurfer]

Long ago surfers set up rules of conduct for breaks. These rules made it safer and more fun for the surfers who frequent these breaks. Now things have changed and many breaks are overrun by surfers who don't follow the rules. Here is the thing. Good surfers aren't very likely to run you over unless you do something stupid and they can't avoid you or you keep violating the rules and they don't see any other way to stop you. So most likely the guy who ran you over wasn't a good surfer or you did something stupid or you were breaking the rules.

[Lebowski]

And frankly speaking the rules favor me as a longboarder.

What do you mean by this?

[jaffa1949]

A lot of us are trying to explain unwritten rules to you . I suggest you explain them to the other guys and girls in a real situation and explore the outcome. You have no more or less rights than anyone else in the line up.
Sadly your attitude around how you think it works will cause accidents. End of story. Jay walkers should not be run over but sometimes it is impossible to stop.

[RinkyDink]

I just want to make it clear that there are surfers who will intentionally run into you, especially down in LA county (the land of superficiality). Obviously I don't know if that happened to you, but you should be aware that those kinds of surfers are just looking for an excuse to get in your face. In some places if you drop in accidentally, it just doesn't matter what your intentions were. Some people in the lineup are just waiting for an excuse to mess you. If you're a beginner, then you are a target for them. Think of it as being a substitute teacher in a class full of knuckleheads. They don't give a rip about your good character or intentions. Those things are just a sign of weakness to them because those types of bullies are showboating for their friends and taking on the role of the enforcer of whatever code guides them. I hate those kinds of morons, but they are out there and in many places they're out there in droves. The experience of loads of surfers from the beginning of the age of crowded beaches has proven that confronting those meatheads is definitely not the way to go. In fact, confronting them is probably the first sign of a kook. If someone runs into you and doesn't apologize or say anything at all, then you should assume it wasn't an accident.

[OlegLupusov]

A lot of you are explaining the rules to me and their importance for my safety.
I can’t agree me more. I do comply with rules.
I learned it hard way.
About 7 months ago, I got into crowded line up. About 10 collisions within two days.
After that I tried to avoid super crowded line-ups, learned and am trying to comply with the rules.
So, only four collisions within more than six months. Two of them when I was trying to paddle out at the spot without designated area for paddling out. One when a guy dropped in on me. My abandoned board bumped his board. I am not even sure whether by board sliced his board because he had another accident five minutes before ours. And frankly speaking, I did yell in anticipation that he would pull over and did not try to avoid the accident until it was too late.
I am trying to make it safe. I avoid rock bottoms, crowded line-ups, and big waves.
My message is simple.
Many surfers can avoid the collision. Pull over from the wave on time. And they just don’t because they want to ride that wave.
I don’t know how to control the shortboard. I guess it is harder and consequently harder to avoid collision. But still should be possible. I don’t think there are many 100 % intentional collisions because boards break, people get hurt. Definitely, there are some but not many. Those maniacs are more an exception. But there a lot of surfers that would not pull over from the wave even if they see the risk of a collision.
And if the collision happens, those surfers are not innocent and share the responsibility even if they are right under the rules.

I don’t understand how this message and relevant “attitude” makes me dangerous.
However, waikkina got offended. Others too.
Btw, what is the “Rule” for collision evasion? Does the surfer have any obligations to avoid the collision and pull from the wave in case of seeing smb violating the rules?
What other people did to me is just pushing the board. It worked pretty good. No damage or hard impact. Could be a bit humiliating. Here are the videos (my fault within the two days of learning the hard way)
On the last occasion that made me post this topic, yelling would have allowed me to do turtle roll, jump from the board, etc. And, I would have avoided the smashing of my toe. No speculations on the condition of the board.

In sport activities there is such conception as risk assumption by all the participants. But there are limitations to its application. It varies based on the level of the sport event. And its application is really limited in leisure beach activities.
For instance, professional soccer players make break one others’ legs and boxers may break each other’s jaws.
However, broken limbs are less acceptable in a friendly game and other leisure sport activities
I think that most of you do understand that there is some truth in my words..

So, I do comply with the rules. Try my best to avoid the accidents. Say sorry even if I did not violate the rules. I avoid physical escalations and prefer being positive.
Being right under the rules does not give authority to run over other people.
I would be happy if my message will let advanced surfers reconsider their actions even to the smallest extent.
Even at the expense of Waikikin and other sufers’ reluctance to share their knowledge.

Thank for your attention. Apology to those who are offended.

[jaffa1949]

We are sharing our knowledge, .
A for instance, there are no designated paddle out spots, usually best to use a rip, easy paddling.

A frequent cause of collision where the paddling out surfers are at fault is where they try to out paddle the riding surfer and head for the shoulder. Paddling out surfers should take a very very wide berth of the riding surfer or if caught close take on the white water behind the surfer riding. You can take on the White water by angling your paddle line to pass behind the surfer. Not always possible often though you can just stop paddling and let the angled ride of the surfer pass you by.

A good take is to spend time watching the break and seeing the lines at which the surfers ride avoid them if you can or spend the shortest time you can crossing those lines. Pick your time between surfers with awareness of the speed they are travelling.
Nobody doubts you are trying!
The person idling has more chance of avoiding you if he can anticipate your responses being in a normal range.
Learners are unpredictable, inconsistent, an prone to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Often in crisis they throw or jump off their board, two risks of collision. Where you are learning is the chaos zone the more crowded the more chaos.

Please think too that soft boards are not a panacea that allows collisions to be Scott free, two bodies two boards one may be hard, potential impacts of any or all, . Leashes and other bits of surf scrapnel. The sand underneath.

[OlegLupusov]

Surfrider beach has designated area for paddling; so does Topanga beach. But not El Porto.

[Big H]

Surfrider beach has designated area for paddling; so does Topanga beach. But not El Porto.

I doubt it.


I cracked a rib on a softboard on my first lesson....jumped off at the end of my very first whitewater ride and caught the board in the ribs on the way down....kept me out of the water the first 7 weeks of my surfing career (almost, still went out but painfully). Softboards are heavy and carry inertia...I am absolutely sure they could hurt someone....recently I was dropped in on by a foamie rider....he took me out at the knees as I was coming down the line....hurt really bad, got bruises (almost never bruise) and had to stay dry for the next day as I hurt too bad.

[jaffa1949]

I wonder whether the paddle areas are for paddle craft like kayaks, canoes surf skis and stand up paddle boards.
I don't know from Australia, had a read through state and beach ordinance couldn't get any clarifications?...?
Since sandy beach conditions change day to day tide to tide, swell to swell, a designated surf paddle out spot would render the county liable unless it was a movable zone?
Definitely separation of swimmers and surf craft at any patrolled beach!

[Big H]

http://www.jupitersurf.com/Pier%20Rules.htm

A link for surfing rules at a beach in Florida....they say they modelled after California spots including designated paddle out areas as determined by conditions and supervising lifeguards. Must be interesting to try to regulate that but apparently I'm wrong and such things exist. Hard to imagine surfing here trying to enforce something like that.....or stop signs and red lights and one way streets for that matter.

[OlegLupusov]

At the surfrider beach, the paddling area is designated by the nature. The narrower sandy area that is closer to the pier has crappier waves. So, most people paddle out there not to interfere with other people rides and not to hurt their feet while walking in and out!
The same at Topanga! Much better waves at rocky area, and almost no rides at sandy area

[jaffa1949]

I was hoping it was common sense and not county ordinances , Thank you!
A natural Zebra crossing!

[Big H]

I was hoping it was common sense and not county ordinances , Thank you!
A natural Zebra crossing!

Common sense would be the way that makes sense..........I wonder if there are crossing guards as well?

[RinkyDink]

I think you probably know what you're doing, Oleg. One thing about the sport of surfing is that if you're doing something wrong either the ocean or other surfers will correct you. The rules of surfing are really guidelines to help you learn good judgment out in the water. It's hard to know what the right decision is in a lot of situations. When a surfer is cruising down a wave and I'm directly in their path, I still struggle with trying gauge where they are going to be in the next 7 seconds. Can I get over the wave before they reach me? Should I just stop and see if they'll pass in front of me? Or should I paddle for the whitewater behind them? Those three questions plague me all the time when I'm surfing and sometimes if I'm really exhausted my choices on what I can do are reduced (that's usually when I head home). I'm sure I'm going to screw up and piss some dude off at some point, but I allow for the mistakes of other surfers and I hope they'll cut me slack too.

[drowningbitbybit]

About 10 collisions within two days.... So, only four collisions within more than six months.

Only four collisions in six months... only?.... and on top of 10 in a few days...?

To continue this somewhat tortured traffic metaphor... if I'm driving and a driver pulls out in front of me, he's driving like a twat. If I'm driving and 10 drivers pull out in front of me, I'm driving like a twat.

[jaffa1949]

Here we are the surf anarchist's home video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJrUoLE8bPU

Annudderone closer to Topanga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIVwBwLby0k

A home grown one from Australia,with a little more awareness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7iqMPIAPhQ

[oldmansurfer]

I have been surfing for several years this time around and so far no collisions however if I surfed those breaks it would be a different story. Long ago when I surfed much more and in crowds I only had a couple collisions so in my entire history of surfing for maybe 20 years of surfing only 2 collisions. But once again if I had surfed those extremely crowded breaks that would be a different story. I love that Biarritz video, the soundtrack is perfect.

[Blackvans1234]

"10 collisions in 2 days"

Oleg's lineup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJrUoLE8bPU