Getting to the nose or close to it.

[Roy Stewart]

A wave making advantage old chap, I am able to make longer faster sections, thus I can surf in a wider range of conditions and have more successful rides than those on noseriding boards.

To put it in terms you can undestand, I have more fun because my board is faster and makes more waves.

Not making the wave makes nosrriding guys very sad and then it makes themdrink more beer. . . . this only happens when they see that someone else is making the waves that they as a group can't make. .. as long as there are no superior longboards around they go through a few happiness rituals and crack jokes but when they see that someone is cruising way off down the line where they can't go they all get a bit grumpy and woeful.

Notice also how often speed is mentioned in surfboard advertising. .. . so often in fact that it looks like the holy grail of surfing. . . . make no mistake speed is very important and leads to way more fun !

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[RJD]

I thought you hadnt surfed in 7 months mate.

And I dont read surfing mags so wouldnt know what they put in them.

Longboarders dont seem to have issues with catching waves, I seem to rememeb the Olo getting well outcruised on small-> med waves by a 'traditional' mal.

but dos it matter? you can have mroe than one board, if you want to take a noserider out (which I dont have one) and have fun doing that whats the issue.

[Roy Stewart]

I thought you hadnt surfed in 7 months mate.

Incorrect, I said that I have hardly felt like surfing after the 13 footer left, it is such a lovely board.

I have been surfing but kinda pining for a particular board.

but dos it matter? you can have mroe than one board, if you want to take a noserider out (which I dont have one) and have fun doing that whats the issue.

No issue at all, but if you want to talk surfboard design or physics then try to make sense please.

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[Roy Stewart]

As for you 'not reading mags' therfore not knowing about surfing advertsing what an idiot the whole surfing universe is full of advertising it's not just in mags. EYES RIGHT >>>>>>>>>>

[isaluteyou]

MY 2c as follows - not being a longboarder this is my uninformed stance. If i was to get a longboard i would get one that can noseride. Unfortunatly roy that has nothing to do with surf advertising as its the only thing i can see any worth doing on a longboard that is coming from a shortboarding background.

Secondly Roy there are such things as a quiver you know which this translates to "the ability to own several boards for several conditions and riding requirements" So taking such a staunch stance on one board shape seems a tad silly.

Thridly the most important thing of all - it comes down to personal preference. Not everyone is gonna like the feel of a given board nor appreciate its certain advantages at all as in all likely hood thats not what they want the board to do. A good example to illastrate this point is that some people swear by fishies i personaly dont dig them at all i prefer to take a fat short single fin out. I however dont make accusations about the board because i just personaly dont like them i do see their benefit though.

Lastly before you start taking diggs at advertisements (being a fellow hater of adverts) you have to consider the majority of community forums, mags, or chat related communities would not exist if it were not for advertisments. (servers do cost money ya know ) And without these loverly communities well you wouldnt beable to express your convicted opinions at all. So for all your anti advertisment stance you are actually just as much fueling it as the next person

Oh and be sure you read someones post properly before posting a reply because clearly you missread otters post and your reply made zero sense in relation

Phew i must have been really bored to write all that

[Roy Stewart]

It's fine with me if longboarders keep slowboarding and pulling stupid looking and dysfunctional poses instead of making waves. . . . however you can all expect to be outperformed by Olo boards SUP's and dedicated waveriding longboards in the future as noseriding is seen as the serious handicap that it really is.

The whole noseriding thing is rapidly becoming 'old hat'

Already the SUP fraternity are realising that wave performance is improved by non noseriding design features . . . this is really obvious to anyone who actually follows surfboard design evolution. . . . longboards are heading towards pure surfing rather than just aping shortboard tricks or continuing with anachronistic dysfunctional boardwalking and nose posing.

If noseriding were not promoted heavily it would soon die out as it is such a waste of time and really spoils the pure connection with the wave which is the basis of surfing. . . it's not a natural thing to do it is an arbitrarily imposed series of dysfunctional poses.

Your answer is a bit like saying that the only motoring worth doing is burnouts or bonnet riding. ..

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[RJD]

Noseriding died out. Then it came back. Because its cool

You still havnt addressed 2 important points.

(1) Why do you think people only have to ride one board.
(2) Why is your Olo outperformed by classic Mals?

[Roy Stewart]

Noseriding died out and came back because it was a convenient handle for advertising surfing to the masses. . . . most surfing consumers need some kind of really obvious trick or gadget to attract them. . . pure surfing is like meditation, not flashy and subtle to explain. . . .. only true surfers get it most consumers need fancier wrapping.

It's just a marketing handle you re all being sold a mickey.

As for only having one board where on earth did you get that idea from I said no such thing. . .. . in fact I have many surfboards. . . just because they are versatile boards does not mean that I only have one.

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[RJD]

So you never make a specialised board? Isnt the 13ft Olo a specialised tuberiding board? Must be because it sucks on smaller less pitchy waves eh?

Longboarding and noseriding came back despite the industry marketing, which was all geared to flashy shortboarders.

[Roy Stewart]

Thridly the most important thing of all - it comes down to personal preference. Not everyone is gonna like the feel of a given board nor appreciate its certain advantages at all as in all likely hood thats not what they want the board to do. A good example to illastrate this point is that some people swear by fishies i personaly dont dig them at all i prefer to take a fat short single fin out. I however dont make accusations about the board because i just personaly dont like them i do see their benefit though.

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You completely miss the point: I'm talking about hydrodynamics and surfboard performance, and pointing out that nosering boards are doomed to being slow and poor to handle due to their shape. . . it's just physics, nothing else, you can buy what you like obviously

If people think that bonnet riding and burnouts are cool they are going to keep doing it. . .. even though it's obviously really stupid. That's where we are at with noseriding.

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[RJD]

doomed to being slow and poor to handle due to their shape. . .

I think your missing the point that people enjoy noseriding, and the boards speed, efficiency and dysfunctionality are of no matter whatsoever.

Surfing isnt functional is one of the most dysfunctional sports I can think of, all of it , totaly.

[Roy Stewart]

So you never make a specialised board? Isnt the 13ft Olo a specialised tuberiding board?

Firstly that 13 footer is not in my opinion long enough to be described as an olo. . . I named it the 'Future Primitive' it is being called an olo by others. To me an olo starts at aound 16 feet. .. . not that it matters it's only a name, and it's understandable given that our website is olosurfer.com

Secondly the board is not a specialised tuberiding board it is an all round design which I have ridden early every day in waves from knee high to 4 times overhead for at least 5 years and it works brilliantly in all conditions, including tuberiding . The 13 on the tour of NZ right now has however been somewhat optimised for flex response in bigger surf via a lower buoyancy and thickness ( it is only 2 and a quarter inches thick ) .

Longboarding and noseriding came back despite the industry marketing, which was all geared to flashy shortboarders.

If you look at the history of the longboard revival you will find that it went hand in hand with longboard advertsing.



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[isaluteyou]

Unfortunatly it seems you have missed my point and RJD's as he rightly points out so people enjoy noseriding unless you have better board design for noseriding then im not really sure what the hell you are on about. If you are claiming that then phew this would make a heck of lot more sense. Otherwise you are comparing oranges to bannanas.



I just have to make this comment - can you actually nose ride Roy? sorry couldnt resist.

If people think that bonnet riding and burnouts are cool they are going to keep doing it. . .. even though it's obviously really stupid. That's where we are at with noseriding.

like i said personal preference just because you find something stupid dont make it so mate. Your riding preferences are clearly not the same as a lot of people thats totally normal but why burn something just because you consider it worthless to be honest i actually hate longboarding but hell a lotta people love it so who am i to make a case on that front

[Roy Stewart]

Noseriding is doomed.

Carry on.

[RJD]

Because an old hipppy at the arse end of the world is going to change it all!!

man I love your boards, they look great, but where do you get of on pissing on other peoples fun?

[isaluteyou]

Because an old hipppy at the arse end of the world is going to change it all!!

man I love your boards, they look great, but where do you get of on pissing on other peoples fun?

exactly my point

Noseriding doomed i doubt that very much not unless you intend on changing the minds of a multitude of surfers:wink:

[Roy Stewart]

It's doomed not because the surfing masses listen to me but because the advertsing and marketing machines of the corporations are finding other longboarding trends to promote .

Once the corporations starting promoting something new (or old) many of you miraculously discover that you make the choice to do it 'all by yourselves'

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[RJD]

I'm gen-x mate, immune from advertising. Your too old to get it.

Though if the thread title was 'Is noseriding dysfunctional and am I an easily lead corporate zombie' prehaps your replys would have some merit.

[Roy Stewart]

If there's anyone immune to surfing advertising it's me mate ! My boards have always been designed for pure function regardles of looks or popularity of current trends. . . that is obvious.
Age has zero to do with it it's just an awareness thing. . . actually it can be improved with age. . . besides if you think I'm old think again, age is not a number of years, there is no biological clock.. . . . . I am fitter, stronger and more clear minded than I have ever been, thus youngerb than I have ever been in many ways.

It's so amusing to see how people jump on to the latest trend thinking that they are acting as individuals. . . . all those latest grass roots trends like fish etc have been carefully managed and promoted in such a way that the buyers don't realise that they are being coerced. . . it's standard marketing knowledge.

ironically when I give a blunt but truthful message I am perceived as trying to force my views on people. . . but the coporations are really tho ones doing that.

Anyway my point is that noseriding will become more and more obscure now that the corporations have discovered more functional longboarding alternatives.. . . something I have spent the last 14 years helping te to do.

[SilverShark78]

I do have to agree with Roy on a lot of what he says. I think that a lot of the surfers out there, especially the ones on the magazine covers and in the advertisements, do these "maneuvers" and "tricks" just to score points, whether it's with a judge or with onlookers that he/she thinks is watching. It's very easy to be immersed into the "I want to do what looks cool" trend. Unfortunately, society and industry has taken such a strong hold on the lifestyle of surfing that there are very few reminents of pure soul surfing left.

Many believe that fighting the wave, and throwing as much water over the lip, is cool and radical. But the heart of surfing is not to resist the wave; it is to submiss one's self into the flowing energy that is being transmitted from the ocean to the surfer's soul, through the mediums of the wave of the ocean and the body of the surfer.

I can definitely see why Roy may think that noseriding falls into the category of "cool looking" trick that is done. It isn't necessary. And one surfer once said that a longboarder isn't "good" (it blows my mind that people think they can judge who is a good surfer, and who's not) unless he can ride the nose. Which is completely off. Surfing isn't a viewing sport, and I wouldn't even call it a sport.

But hey, to each thy own, right? If some guy wants to wear the latest pop surf fashion, and ride a wave like he thinks a bunch of judges like to watch, then go ahead. Not my style.