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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby Tudeo » Wed May 23, 2018 2:07 am

RinkyDink wrote:bouncing around my different boards

Maybe the Aipa needs to be ridden in bigger waves so you can stand more back to use it's narrower tail?

Using different boards is a nice luxury, and is helpful to improve your skills I'm sure. I know not everybody agrees with this, but I think having a broader range of experience by using different boards helps. Also I noticed that skills learned on one board are available on others later.

Surfing my 'big' 8'2 makes things so much easier, and gives more time on the wave to try out things, while my (still big..) 6'6 offers a much more dynamic ride which I love. But lately the condition of the shoulders are becoming more of a factor in board choice.. :?
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby RinkyDink » Wed May 23, 2018 11:39 pm

Tudeo wrote:
RinkyDink wrote:bouncing around my different boards

Maybe the Aipa needs to be ridden in bigger waves so you can stand more back to use it's narrower tail?

Using different boards is a nice luxury, and is helpful to improve your skills I'm sure. I know not everybody agrees with this, but I think having a broader range of experience by using different boards helps. Also I noticed that skills learned on one board are available on others later.

Surfing my 'big' 8'2 makes things so much easier, and gives more time on the wave to try out things, while my (still big..) 6'6 offers a much more dynamic ride which I love. But lately the condition of the shoulders are becoming more of a factor in board choice.. :?


One of the things that threw me off when I first took my Aipa board out was that it was too fast for me. I couldn't control the board :) My skills have improved a lot since then. I think when I ride it next time I'll probably take it out in smaller surf because the board has enough volume to ride like a fish. I suspect the best type of wave for that board would be a fast, barrelling wave like Mundaka where you could just fly down the line staying in or just ahead of the pocket. I also want to take it out to get a better idea of what turns are like on wide rounded rails as opposed to the thinner rails I'm used to. I'm hoping Namu has some advice about riding the board since he probably has more experience on it than I do at this point.

I love using a lot of different boards because I can explore the various characteristics of surfboards. The problem is that I sometimes don't comprehend the differences that are there. I took out a twin fin fish the other day, but it felt the same to me as my other boards. I was pretty much just going down the line with some trimming turns along the way. That lead me to realize that I'm probably not turning, trimming, and carving enough to get a sense of how that particular board's characteristics affect my ride. The problem with getting the feel of a surfboard's characteristics is that I actually have to spend a lot of time on a board. It takes me about 4 sessions to really bond with a board and if I swap out baords a lot I start to lose the perspective of being able to compare a board's characteristics with ones I'm already familiar with.


By the way, have you tried relaxed hanging for your shoulder problem? It helped me. My shoulder problems are gone now, but I think they disappeared in part because I've gained more strength as well as from the time I spent hanging from a pull-up bar.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby kookextraordinaire » Thu May 24, 2018 3:29 pm

I thought I'd chime in regarding the original question. I too used to have a bit of a board buying problem myself; I'd switch out boards frequently, and if I didn't like one after a few sessions or so I'd trade it in. In the past year or so, however, I've whittled down my quiver to 3 boards, and I'm overall a much happier surfer. As stated above, it takes a while to adjust to something new, so switching too often can hold you back.

I'm of the opinion that one really only needs three boards: a good wave board, a medium wave board and a small wave board. With that in mind, it's just a question of finding what you like. I've never really gotten along with quads, I tend to outrun the wave too quickly (that's more of indictment of my skill as a surfer, I know some people love them) so my three are: a 6'0 19 1/4 2/38 thruster for good waves, a 5'7.5" 19 1/2 2 1/2 thruster for medium waves, and a 6'0 twinnie for the small stuff. Oh, and a 6'4" single fin that I keep at my mom's in Kauai for when it's going off.

I don't know the volume of any of them. I know people are really into that these days (down to the decimal point) but for me, it's just one more number to worry about. I just don't think it's at all indicative of how a board will go. Just because a board sits really low in the water doesn't mean it won't paddle well. I can tell after 15 years of surfing if a board will go for me or not. Plus I have I great shaper.

Does anybody else share this opinion regarding volume? I'm curious.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby dtc » Fri May 25, 2018 12:55 am

my view on volume is that you either

- look at 10 different factors (length, width, rocker, rails, outline etc), of which volume is just one, and not the most important; or

- its a final 'check sum' ie you find a board that looks right, with the right shape etc, and then just check that its actually around about the volume you want

I think rocker and width, for example, will have more of an impact than volume. A 45L board with a lot of rocker will feel very different to a 35L board with flat rocker, even if they are roughly same length and width. While a 19.5 inch board feels quite different to a 22 inch board, regardless of volume

I'm not a shortboarder, but I find it hard to believe people who say '28L felt like a boat, I had to go back to my 27.2L board'.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby Tudeo » Fri May 25, 2018 7:17 am

RinkyDink wrote:By the way, have you tried relaxed hanging for your shoulder problem?

YES! Thanks for that tip. I try to do a little hanging session every day, it just feels good. Didn't you talk about how natural hanging is? I agree with that.

But I'm 55yo and too often need a lot of recovery time because it is really hard for me to stop surfing, as long I feel I can do some more.. If I surf too often and too intensive for a period I must pay a price. I hope the hanging will help with that in time. Also I started doing post surf massage routines for the upper back and shoulders, using 2 tennis balls tied together, against a wall. But mostly it comes down to a mental process of acceptance that you can't surf every day anymore. On the other hand while my surf frequency goes down, the stoke seems to go up. Also, even though my energy is not what is used to be, my surfing skills are still improving. That keeps the stoke going!

Yes it always takes a couple of waves to tune into a board when changing surfboards, but in my case I know the 8'2 and the 6'6 already very good, that reduces the time to tune in. As long you can surf frequently. I just came from the water with my 6'6 after nearly 2 weeks recovery for the shoulders, and my foot positioning was off on the first waves.

You were talking of not enough action with your twin fish, well I had the same feeling at the start of this session with the 6'6 Addvance, it was like I couldn't move. I think it was because my feet were too much forward, and the wave was too big for that. Normally the Add feels so loose, you get the feeling you can surf much more radical, then you actually can..
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby dtc » Fri May 25, 2018 11:16 am

Don’t forget the exercise band pull apart as for the shoulders

https://barbellrehab.com/better-band-pull-apart/
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby RinkyDink » Sat May 26, 2018 6:13 pm

Tudeo wrote:
RinkyDink wrote:By the way, have you tried relaxed hanging for your shoulder problem?

YES! Thanks for that tip. I try to do a little hanging session every day, it just feels good. Didn't you talk about how natural hanging is? I agree with that.

But I'm 55yo and too often need a lot of recovery time because it is really hard for me to stop surfing, as long I feel I can do some more.. If I surf too often and too intensive for a period I must pay a price. I hope the hanging will help with that in time. Also I started doing post surf massage routines for the upper back and shoulders, using 2 tennis balls tied together, against a wall. But mostly it comes down to a mental process of acceptance that you can't surf every day anymore. On the other hand while my surf frequency goes down, the stoke seems to go up. Also, even though my energy is not what is used to be, my surfing skills are still improving. That keeps the stoke going!


I don't have any shoulder problems at the moment. I haven't even been hanging on my pull-up bar. The last time I did was about a month ago. I had been suffering from awful rotator cuff soreness, shoulder pain, and neck pain for about a year when I first restarted surfing. Now I don't have those problems. I think they were, in large part, due to overtraining. I was weight training 3 times a week and surfing during my off days. After 15 years of leading a very unhealthy sedentary lifestyle, I think my body was kind of in shock from the sudden amped up physical fitness. The problem with working out is that it will make you feel great in many ways, but there will also be areas, particularly when you're older, where you'll have pain. Maybe it's a yin yang thang. Anyway, I went on vacation for two weeks, did a couple of light workouts at the hotel, but mostly I just rested and ate healthy. It felt good, physically and mentally, to just take a break. My shoulder pains went away. When I got back I started weight training and surfing again and the shoulder pain returned. I concluded from that that I was overtraining and needed to change things.

I stopped weight lifting and decided I'd just surf for my workout. Due to health problems, I have to maintain a high level of fitness. It's not an option for me unfortunately. I either stay in shape or waste away physically. It keeps me motivated, but it's a burden at times (price you pay for letting your health slide). Anyway, I don't think weight lifting is bad, but I realize now that it's only beneficial for me if I do it in very slow increments. I have to allow my body a lot of time to adjust (way more time than I originally thought) to increases in weight resistance. For me working out requires as much attention to avoiding injury as it does to planning my workouts.

Right now, I just surf 2-3 times a week. The ocean is my gym. I think my shoulder problems have disappeared mostly because I've gained strength in my back, neck, and shoulders over the past two years. I also think that surfing is a better workout because I'm not targeting and stressing a specific muscle with concentrated exercise. I'm instead spreading the exercise load around my various surfing muscles. I feel like I also rest naturally when I'm surfing. If I don't feel like paddling for a wave, I don't, as opposed to consciously resting for a specific amount of time between weight training sets.

Anyway, there have been some drawbacks for me. My legs are weak and it's affecting my popup and my surfing stance. I noticed the other day on my longboard that my knees were locked. I was avoiding crouching and didn't want to bend my knees. Just laziness really. Not good surfing form at all :D So now I realize that I need to start working my legs out again. I can paddle around for three hours without thinking about it so my arms are in pretty good condition, but my legs and quads are seriously lacking. I hate doing leg and ab exercises, but I'm realizing that I miss them. My surfing prowess depends on them. The other problem I have is that I lose my stoke when I turn surfing into a workout. This is kind of a new development for me. There are days I'm just not into it, but I'm out because I need to work out. I'm finding on those days that my popup falls apart and I'm not really focusing on my surfing. That might lead me to pick up a new sport to keep my legs strong (maybe skateboarding or cycling). In the meantime, I'm going back to scissor kicks. Sorry about the long winded, rambling response.

Tudeo wrote:Yes it always takes a couple of waves to tune into a board when changing surfboards, but in my case I know the 8'2 and the 6'6 already very good, that reduces the time to tune in. As long you can surf frequently. I just came from the water with my 6'6 after nearly 2 weeks recovery for the shoulders, and my foot positioning was off on the first waves.


At the moment, I find going with a longer board just makes things more enjoyable for me. I'm not in a rush like I was early on to get to specific surfing milestones. I'm working up to shorter boards as my fitness level permits. Shortboards are kind of stressful for me because I don't have the fitness for them yet. However, my 7'2" X 23 X 3 1/4 fish type board is basically a surfboard with training wheels. It's fun, but at times it feels like a raft. I want to ride it more often though because it's a nice change from my longboard and it allows me to pump with more gusto than a longboard does.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby Tudeo » Sun May 27, 2018 3:40 am

RinkyDink wrote:Maybe it's a yin yang thang.

Yes, it's all about finding the right balance, between exercise and rest for YOUR body, but also for finding a balanced workload for the joints.
I'm very interested in that exercise dtc mentioned, the band pull apart as for the shoulders.

When I surf 'much' it's about 2x a week, but then my muscles need rest in between, so I don't do fitness in between, just a bit of yoga stretches and breathing exercises. But I learned the hard way you should be very careful with that too.

Still I'm looking for some yin to balance my yang or vice versa, especially in the shoulders. I'm a strong believer of balancing antagonist muscle groups to keep joints healthy. That Supinated Band Pull-Apart looks good for that. Later I go out looking for a exercise band.

In the mean time I must work on my surf discipline. Take enough time to rest between waves, smart relaxed paddling, be patient when a set lands on my head and most important for me: stop in time before too tired.

Cris Mills has some great articles on the subject.
https://surfstrengthcoach.com/surf-workout-or-rest/
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby dtc » Sun May 27, 2018 1:10 pm

Don’t forget external rotations and thoracic spine mobilisation. I sometimes wonder whether the latter is a major cause of problems, as it’s not something people think about

https://zacheven-esh.com/5-shoulder-hea ... xd-for-me/
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby RinkyDink » Sun May 27, 2018 6:02 pm

dtc wrote:Don’t forget the exercise band pull apart as for the shoulders

https://barbellrehab.com/better-band-pull-apart/

That's a great exercise. I have a bad eye so I try to keep my good eye protected as far as possible. I recommend wearing some eye protection during this exercise because bands do break. I've had two bands break during this exercise. Actually, I use eye protection for most of the band exercises I do. Just a tip.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby RinkyDink » Mon May 28, 2018 4:07 am

Tudeo wrote:Cris Mills has some great articles on the subject.
https://surfstrengthcoach.com/surf-workout-or-rest/


That's a great article. I wish I had read it two years ago :D Nice thing is it confirms that I'm on the right track with my approach to staying in shape.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby IB_Surfer » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:50 am

Thanks guys, but need something short, 6'6 max height. Was thinking of a king fish but...
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby IB_Surfer » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:50 am

Thank you everyone. Here is the new rendition, a 6'5 x 3 x 22 mini simmons-like board that my shaper did based on a smaller board. So far it did great, I surfed it yesterday in 1ft waves and it actually caught them no problem. Small wave board problem solved

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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

Postby IB_Surfer » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:51 am

by the way, that is Abrahm, owner of Baja Reef Surf Shop in Rosarito Beach northern Baja
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